Buying Advice Is Yanmar 1700 dangerous

   / Is Yanmar 1700 dangerous #1  

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Hello
I've got 10 acres, mostly wooded, of which 4 acres need mowing 1 to 2 times a year. It's a deer hunter's getaway.
I'm looking at a 1700, 2w drive, 5.8 hours, with a J-Bar shredder. Looks great.
Called Yanmar USA and boy did they knock them. Article I was refereed to said they don't have ROPS, PTO over-run clutch, PTO shield, may start in gear, throttle accelerates when pulled back, no parts available, no manuals.
Well I'm asking the guys that have a 1700 what they think of the durability of the tractor and especially the PTO clutch issue.
I'm NOT trying to start an argument, just trying to learn.
By the way the owner says all wheels have the foam that prevents flats. I know nothing about this either.
Thank You very much.
 
   / Is Yanmar 1700 dangerous #2  
RUN away as fast as you can!! :laughing:

No just kidding haha Who Makes Yanmar Tractors? here is some hopefully helpful info and the rest of the guys will chime in with all the info you could possibly imagine in one place welcome to the group hope you end up with it! :thumbsup:
 
   / Is Yanmar 1700 dangerous #3  
At the end of the day, I'm sure Yanmar USA is owned by Yanmar Japan. They sold thousands and thousands of YM1700's to Japanese farmers. They used them for years. Yanmar USA is basically saying they don't meet US standards and don't want them distributed in the US. I had one and loved it. You can add a ROPS and PTO shield. You can also add a PTO over-run clutch. Parts are widely available, but they may be aftermarket by now. As far as starting in gear, yeah, just push in the clutch.
 
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I wonder how many thousands of tractors were sold here by Yanmar that Didn't have ROPS ??? Like my 186D??? All of them???
 
   / Is Yanmar 1700 dangerous #5  
Welcome to the forum. Don't believe the 5.8 hours. That tractor was manufactured in 1979. However, there is a whole bunch of them still purring! Maybe 5.8 hours since some kind of refurbishment. Would it be to personal to ask if it is a dealer or individual you are talking too? Can't imagine an individual running an hour meter back but many of the vn refurbished tractors have theirs run back. Not saying that automatically makes it a bad deal. Just saying you might want to investigate things thoroughly before making a deal. What part of Texas do you live? I am in the Gilmer area. :thumbsup:
 
   / Is Yanmar 1700 dangerous #6  
Yanmar USA knocks them because they have previously lost civil suits against them when operators erred and made the tractor roll over, among other things. At least some of these suits have been reversed, but Yanmar USA has been actively opposing the import and service of the "grey market" tractors. I am currently unaware of the current status of Yanmar's actions against various grey market importers; a recent Supreme Court case (Kirtsaeng v. John Wiley & Sons, Inc.) may very well have affected things.

Irrespective of whether the tractors may be imported currently, most normal parts like oil and air filters, belts, hoses, tires, and other similar maintenance items are readily available via excellent sources such as Yanmar Tractor Parts - Shop Online and others. Most gears, shafts, and other things are as well. Engine rebuild parts are reasonably priced and also available, including replacement cylinder heads. The YM1700 doesn't have a water pump, though Hoye markets a conversion kit that can assist in certain conditions to prevent overheating, if one is running the tractor outside its design envelope.

Safety items such as ROPS, the reverse to accelerate throttle, PTO shield, start in gear and other issues are debatable as to their importance. My US-market tractors by International Harvester, and so far as I can remember, ALL of the other antique tractors I've driven or used pull back to increase the throttle setting. None have or had ROPS, a PTO shield, and some would start in gear. The Yanmar is originally equipped with a clutch safety switch to only allow current to the starter when the clutch pedal is depressed, which largely removes safety concerns. A careless operator can get around any safety feature, and deliberate bypassing, removal, or avoidance of safety equipment is a possibility with any machine. Thus, in my view, a machine not originally coming with that equipment should simply be handled in a safe fashion; and the same goes for equipment WITH those features as well. Equipment should not be expected to prevent one's injury to self or others, it can only assist the ignorant from blindsiding themselves with the worst dangers. Certified ROPS are available, removing that as a concern.

In spite of what you were told, manuals are available, both for the YM1700 and its US sister, the YM195. However, I imagine Yanmar USA does not stock manuals for their older machines anyway. Here again, Hoye can attend your needs. Operation will be identical except for reversed throttle settings and an additional speed on the PTO.

As you implied, an overrunning clutch IS a serious safety issue that is difficult, almost impossible, to overcome even as a skilled and careful operator. Slip-on overrunning clutches are made and reasonably priced , and fix this serious safety concern. As a magnificent benefit, they also dramatically increase the productivity as well, an only positive set of outcomes for a change!

In terms of durability, Yanmar tractors of this vintage are exceedingly well-made of excellent materials, and are a wonderful combination of complex engineering and construction mixed with old-fashioned, "fix it in the field so it can work right now" practicality and simplicity. For instance, the manuals advise the use of a dowel and mutton tallow to service the fuel injectors, and to use irrigation water in the radiator. Many parts match with 1970s Japanese automobiles, especially in the electrical systems. They are at least as good as Kubota tractors, and distinctly better in some objective ways: better fuel economy, superior Powershift transmission vs straight gears, etc. They are not indestructible, of course, but the tractor is absolutely designed, engineered, and executed as a commercial-grade machine designed to WORK. It is not a toy tractor to be used on a hobby ranch to look nice and maintain an image. Maintained properly the tractor will give literally thousands of hours of work and still perform as-new. At least one member here, California, has dyno-tested his old Yanmar and found it to produce new-specification for horsepower in spite of obvious neglect, abuse, and a multitude of hours.

While the YM1700 may not be the right tractor for you or your tasks, it is absolutely a good tractor. I would suggest, if you've never run any equipment across your place, try renting some different machines and test assorted horsepower and sizes of machine, to see what best fits your needs and desires.
 
   / Is Yanmar 1700 dangerous #7  
284 said it all.

No the tractor is no more dangerous that 10 million other US made tractors over 60+ years here in America!!! How many 8n's or 2n's or 9n's have you seen with ROPS, how about the old Jonny poppers, and those are way older than your yanny. Lets go similar vintage, seen many JD 1020s or 1040s etc with ROPS?? how about a ford 2000 or 3000 ??? SOme have them yes and so do some yannies, mine included! How about MF 39's etc no ROPS. No farmall my granddad had had a rops, his was also hand cranked most of the time!!

They don't want you to buy one and are programmed to say that.

Get a deal on it and buy it. I would say buy it if you get it for anything less than $2700 and take it.
 
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Oh and click the link at the top of this page you can buy almost evey part you will need. YOu can rebuild the whole motor from Hoye. Yea you might not be able to buy some random part like a rear housing, new, but if you have cracked that IT PROLLY WONT MAKE SENSE TO fix that one anyway. But so you know fredericks, coldwater and Hoye have used parts tractors and I bet anything you need can be pirated of another one.

Foam is a plus, its worth probably a good $150 or more for all 4 tires.

And I deal with flats all the time. I am trying to find someone to foam my fronts right now!! My rears are filled for weight. with water.

Your use is what I have mine for. I have a family farm that I keep up. Its about 2 acres of yard to finish mow, and I have about 1-2 acres of food plot I plat and disk. then there is about another 4 acres or more that I bushhog. SO that means there is about 6 acres that gets cut a few times a summer and a yard that gets cut 3-4x per summer.
 
   / Is Yanmar 1700 dangerous #9  
You will have to decide if that is the right size tractor for your application. Beyond that, this is a top-quality model and should run for years.

5 hours claimed is a caution flag. Look it over thoroughly for 'reconditioning' that consisted of cobbling together parts from several old tractors then a museum-quality repaint.

Don't pay attention to Yanmar-USA. Their position is lawyer-driven. They have lost injury lawsuits on gray-market Yanmars that they didn't import and didn't make any money on to offset the cost of being sued.

Recognize that this model is relatively narrow and doesn't belong on side slopes. And as mentioned, an overrun clutch on the pto output shaft is needed to let you stop the tractor before inertia takes out the corner of the barn or shoves you in a ditch.

YM1700 is part of the family of best-supported Yanmars: YM1700/YM195 and the slightly higher horsepower YM2000/YM240. (and the 2Q/3Q Yanmar Marine engines for fishing boats and sailboats). Third party parts are easily available and should continue to be available for years, like old VW's and Mustangs.

Here's the dyno-tested YM186D that 284 mentioned. (photo) I have no idea how many hours are on it but it showed original-spec horsepower. Not bad after 30 hard years. My other Yanmar (YM240) is similar - it looks like 30+ years without reconditioning, while it runs like new.
 
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My Reconditioned tractor was not really a museum quality repaint. After 3 ish years there is some chips and rust bubbles. It was ok at first but not great, more of a shadetree job at best. But needless to say it looked better than anything other than a garage kept tractor that almost never saw sun or rain. Oh and my tractor stays in the shed out of the rain 99% of the time.
 

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