You know, guys, I would never fault anyone for using safty equipment. It's just logical if it is availabe... I dont see myself retrofitting my tractor to install said safty equipment though. For many years, tractors were run without this equipment. The operator was required to be extremely aware of his terrain and operating conditions. Manufacturers have come a long way to protect us, not a bad thing....Can we be careful, safely? I think so.... Can we get in trouble easily? yep..... If it worries you, get a new tractor with the safty equipment, it surely doesnt make you less of a man, maybe just lucky enough to justify one /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. If you feel safe on the old stuff and something happens to you, dont blame anyone else..