Info needed on Driveway Alarms

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EddieWalker

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I'm in the process of putting in a security system on my house and got to thinking that an alarm or allert when somebody comes through my gate would be a good thing to have. I'll be trenching a line for one of my video cameras half way to the gate, and might as well go the rest of the way for whatever I decide to put in. I have power at the gate so that's already taken care of.

I've seen the ones that send a radio signal back to the house, but I don't want to go with that type of system. I have allot of trees between my gate and house, and it's about 700 feet away. Between the distance and obstructions, I don't think it will be reliable.

Who has what? Would you recomend it? Where did you get it?

Thank you,
Eddie
 
/ Info needed on Driveway Alarms #2  
Eddie - the wireless ones do not work all the time, so you are right..plust the wireless ones I have used give false alarms for dogs and deer when they do work..You will probably want to hard wire one in and then you should be set.
 
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I used to sell a brand called Optex beams. Need one set of two, one would go on each side of the gate. These can be used with most security systems. Sold them to places such as self storage to cover their doors as well as along fence lines and cover gates. They work very well. Make sure you use the right size wire for that distance.
For our needs we use a wireless Optex as it is close to the house. Have two receivers, one in the house and one outside the barn. That way if we are outside in the backyard/garden or the barn area we know if someone is there. :D
Pics are of our wireless unit. Put the transmitter unit on a post inside a pipe to help keep snow/rain off. This wireless unit is only good for about 250-300 ft from transmitter to reiceiver.
 

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/ Info needed on Driveway Alarms #5  
I use a device called the "cartel CP-2". It is a buried sensor that sees moving metal. It has a pair for power, which can be roughly 8 to 31 volts AC or DC. There is another pair that gives contact closure for about 2 seconds when moving metal is within 10' of the sensor.

I like these because you can't tell they are there, don't trigger on wildlife (or people)- just on moving metal. You can mow, plow, etc. and not worry about hitting the sensor. While the sensor is a bit pricy, the other system costs (trenches, conduit/pipe, connection posts, etc) bring the total installed cost into the $300 range. I also like wired connections- no batteries, no interference. Only down side is the protection for the wiring, both physical and electrical.

Here are some links:

HomeTech Solutions: Cartel CP-2 Probe System 100ft

and

http://www.worthingtondistribution.com/solutions/Manuals/Cartell/CP-2%20Install.pdf

This is a low level sensor, and there are other models that have electronics that do more stuff. But if you have an alarm panel, this is all you need. The contacts will go into a zone, and then the alarm system can beep or announce or do something. These systems can also turn on outside lights on contact closure. One person I helped with one of these just took the contacts and put them to a dedicated doorbell so they got a sound when a car (or tractor) was in the driveway.

If this sort of thing looks like what you want, here are some important safety and usage tips:

I put a 3" 10' PVC pipe about 12" deep with one capped end right up against the driveway, and the other about 4' out from the edge. Take carful measurements to the end of the pipe. This lets you put the sensor close to your driveway, but if it fails you can get to it without disturbing your driveway.

Get the 100' version. Run a 3/4" black PE to a post and connection point, preferably within 50' or less of the sensor. You can then come up into the post/box and connect the sensor to the cable(s) going to your house. You will also need to put some transient zener protection diodes at this point, one on the power supply and one on the relay wires. I've been involved with about 7 or these, and it seems that if you have more than 100' of wire, the units get popped by lightning in a few years. Note that with the black PE pipe and the 3" PVC you can replace a sensor fairly easily. The wire on the blown sensor becomes the pull wire for the new one, and the sensor gets pushed into the 3" pipe. The pipes also provides some better protection agains near by lightning strikes. I don't put any kind of wire in the ground without having it in a conduit or pipe.

When you come into your house with the wires, you'll want to put a three terminal gas tube protector on there, just like _any_ other low voltage wire coming into the house (telco). Try to come in where everything else comes in- single area of entry and a common protective ground are good stuff. I would highly advise a secondary fuse connection before you connect to your equipment, if you go this route I can discuss this more.

I have two of these sensors since my (homebrew) security system can deal with them and tell me if someone is arriving or departing. You can start with one, but if the idea of arriving/departing sounds interesting, while you're tearing up the ground put in the trenches and pipes for a 2nd sensor at least 25' away from the 1st. Take careful measurements and cove the pipe ends so you can dig it all up later to add the 2nd sensor. Use the same post/box for the connections back to the house. I have a 900' driveway, and have the sensors at 50' off the road and 60' from the house. This gives me time to turn on the monitor for the security cameras when someone comes down the driveway (or go look out a window).

The linked to pdf has installation notes. In general, stay 15' away from power lines and 50' away from roads to avoid interference and false triggers.

Standard disclaimers, YMMV, this works for me, etc.

Pete
 
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Just as a notice for someones arrival, the bell at the end of an airhose would be handy. When it rings they know that you know they are there.

I know that is not what your looking for, but I forever have people sneeking up on me while i'm in the shop napping...I mean working.
 
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I have the Dakota wireless alert. The sensor probe is about 500' from my house, all woods. I have no problems with reception or reliability - now. When I first installed it, I buried the probe too close to a buried power line. Once I moved it a few feet away, I haven't had a single problem. I wish the company figured this out for me. They did send me several circuit boards though at no cost to try and solve the problem, but as I said, all along is was location, not equipment.
 
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This is all new to me, but I'm really glad to see this issue addressed. I've got a camera coming to me that will be powered from my solar gate battery and has a 5000' range, I'm stoked about that.

As far as an alarm for anything at your gate, It's easy to do whatever you want if you can get some wires to the gate. If you have a conduit from your gate to your home, then that is awsome. I so badly wish I had done that before the water and telco came in. There has been some fantastic ideas before me and I would take them seriously. I kick myself for not putting a conduit in the ground.

Good luck and keep your progress posted. I really want to see how this turns out.


Thanks,

AbE
 
/ Info needed on Driveway Alarms #9  
Just following long.

I haven't addressed any of these issues yet, but I did put two conduit runs to my wellhouse, which is very close to the property entrance, while I was putting in the water line. And there is power available at the wellhouse. Both 120 and 240. Thinking ahead.

I like the idea of wired much better than wireless, but it seems to me that all of the plug in and go systems are wireless. The wired ones are much more expensive and complex.
 
/ Info needed on Driveway Alarms #10  
I put in a Mire-500 buried system. Drive-Alert Driveway Alarm Systems, Metal Enclosures from Mier Products, Inc. . It has contactors that will allow you to add relays for lights and remote alarms. I added a 110V fire alarm horn in the basement by the furnace so I can hear it through the upper floors of the house. I have two drives and buried a probe at each drive. You can order the cable to the probe in any legnth you want. The only problems I have had is I put mine too close to the road and a fast moving semi will make it cherp but not go off. I live on a country road so that only happens a couple of times during harvest season. A close lightning strike will make it go off as well. It will detect anything metal moving above it. My knife and keys in my pocket will set it off. I like leaving it on while mowing to torment the cat. It has been in place for 15 years with no issues.

Dan
 
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Eddie I guess it all depends on if you have power at the top of your drive way or not, my drive is about as long as yours and wooded also. I choose not to run power all the way up there so I opted for wireless.I tried this one for several years
Chamberlain WIRELESS DRIVEWAY MOTION SENSOR ALARM ALERT - eBay (item 390177246280 end time Apr-07-10 09:07:14 PDT)
It seemed to fade after a while and only picked up about 1 out of 10 cars. So I recently purchased this one.
2 Mile Range Wireless Driveway Alarm - BS-KIT - eBay (item 110513343695 end time Apr-07-10 22:00:03 PDT)
They have a model with a ground probe also, but I have been completly pleased with this one, it hasnt missed a vehicle yet. I built a birdhouse out of cypress to mount it in. It swings open so when time to change batterys I open the bird house and change them out. I love it!:thumbsup:
 
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I use the Dakota Alert Murs system,I have had it for two years....these are a wireless alarm....batteries last about a year.......the further one is about 3/4 of a mile away(they have a two mile range) they work very well but critters will set mine off.About $450.00 with two sensors.:thumbsup:
 
/ Info needed on Driveway Alarms #13  
I'm in the process of putting in a security system on my house and got to thinking that an alarm or allert when somebody comes through my gate would be a good thing to have. I'll be trenching a line for one of my video cameras half way to the gate, and might as well go the rest of the way for whatever I decide to put in. I have power at the gate so that's already taken care of.

I've seen the ones that send a radio signal back to the house, but I don't want to go with that type of system. I have allot of trees between my gate and house, and it's about 700 feet away. Between the distance and obstructions, I don't think it will be reliable.

Who has what? Would you recomend it? Where did you get it?

Thank you,
Eddie
Take a look at Motion Activated Floodlights (X10.com - Security Cameras, X10 Home Security, Wireless Camera, Home Automation, Electronics and More!). I've been using them for about 10 years. Got 4 on my 1/4 mile driveway and a ringer in the house. This way I have both: lights and alarm. The only disadvantage is that they sensor all the animals.
 
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Hi Eddie:

I have the Dakota Alert Wireless Probe Vehicle Detector 3000. I have a looong driveway and the probe is more than 1500 feet away from my house with a full grown forest in between. It might help that I've nailed the transmitter ~20' up in a tree on the side of the driveway. The probe is buried out of site in the driveway. The receiver is also mounted high in the house, on the top of a closet, like you, I was worried when I installed it that I was expecting too much so maybe the height wasn't needed.

The transmitter runs on a 9V battery and it lasted over a year before I replaced it just because I was worried about it. In the two years I've had it I have NEVER had it miss anyone entering my driveway. I also have never seen a false alarm.

In the five years prior to this, I had a totally wired system, the MIER DA-500 Driveway Alarm. This was pretty good but I replaced the cable three times. Once due to rodents biting through the insulation and twice for reasons undetermined. It would alarm falsely whenever lightening storms passed over and occasionally it did miss a vehicle.

I really like the Dakota wireless.

Regards,
John
 
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I have a Chamberlin wireless alert. The sensor is roughly 750' from the base, and it's heavy oak/beech woods between them. Have had it for going on 3 years. Works like a charm, but deer will set it off.

Only problem I had was operating in low temps (below 20). Wouldn't sense anything. Solved that by changing to lithium batterys.

Wired wasn't an option for me due to the amount of large buried rock.

Mike.
 
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i have the dakota alert that uses the rubber hose laid across the drive: i have tried about every motion/heat detector type out there, an they all missed white vehicles: an triggered on deer: this dakota unit has not missed a single vehicle, an has been working flawlessly for several years: i highly recommend it.
heehaw
 

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