I'm might to have to shoot my pal (dog) :(

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I\'m might to have to shoot my pal (dog) :(

I am on vacation, and my sister and neighbors are watching the place. A barn cat and a sheep were attacked and killed. All signs point to the culprit being my own shar-pei/lab mix dog that has been a good friend and guard dog for many years.

He has been known to catch and kill things, so the fact that a barn cat is dead doesn't suprise me that much. He can run like the wind blows and the cat is mauled but generally un-molested.

What we can't determine for sure is the sheep that also died in the same time frame. The difference is that one of the sheep's legs has been stripped to the bone. There is only circumstancial evidence, but there is enough of it for me to think he is indeed the culprit. Although there has been a lot more coyote activity around, the following doesn't add up:

<ul type="square">[*]Only one leg was eaten of the sheep
[*]The cat wasn't eaten at all - typical for my dog who would kill gophers, but never consume any of them
[*]the room the dogs slept in last night is covered in diarrhea and vomit, but it isn't clear which dog is sick. It could be coincidence because I have a cocker spaniel that eats something non-edible and gets violently ill almost once a month
[*]It would have been very difficult, but not impossible for my dog to get in there and then get back out. There is a place he can easily jump in, but getting out would have been much harder. He is a very smart dog though
[*]Even if the coyote was interrupted, it would have come back as soon as it thought it could scarf some sheep down, although the sheep is past due to be shorn and that might have presented a problem. It doen't explain why only one leg though.
[*]My dog didn't eat much this morning, but at the same time was probably over-fed the day before according to my sister
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I think I am pretty near convicting him, but I am not sure how I should go about ending his life. I cannot conceive anyone taking him in - he will not tolerate other adult dogs and I don't think anyone would want to take in a dog that has killed livestock.

We got him years before we had a child and although he is very tolerant, we do often wonder how he would behave if an older toddler really pushed him.

I could take him to the vet, but he is such a good friend and I know he hates going to the vet with a passion. He may have killed that sheep, but for many years I slept better at night knowing no stranger would mess with a menacing 50# dark chocolae dog with ripling muscles and eyes that hide the whites. He would defend us to the death, but his violent tendencies make it very hard.

He is a rescue, and we made a legal promise not to take him to a pound, but that was many years ago, and many hundred miles away. He was a handful for the rescuers and his shar-pei instinct to not tolerate dogs "not in his care or pack" was a real problem.

The sheep he killed has been a real PITA lately, but it also happened to be the ONE sheep my wife picked out and wanted. My wife gets pretty emotionally attached to her animals and this is not remotely easy for her.

Anyway, since I am still on vacation I look forward to any thoughts or opinions on this because I am pretty conflicted.
 
   / I'm might to have to shoot my pal (dog) :(
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I\'m might to have to shoot my pal (dog) :(

I am on vacation, and my sister and neighbors are watching the place. A barn cat and a sheep were attacked and killed. All signs point to the culprit being my own shar-pei/lab mix dog that has been a good friend and guard dog for many years.

He has been known to catch and kill things, so the fact that a barn cat is dead doesn't suprise me that much. He can run like the wind blows and the cat is mauled but generally un-molested.

What we can't determine for sure is the sheep that also died in the same time frame. The difference is that one of the sheep's legs has been stripped to the bone. There is only circumstancial evidence, but there is enough of it for me to think he is indeed the culprit. Although there has been a lot more coyote activity around, the following doesn't add up:

<ul type="square">[*]Only one leg was eaten of the sheep
[*]The cat wasn't eaten at all - typical for my dog who would kill gophers, but never consume any of them
[*]the room the dogs slept in last night is covered in diarrhea and vomit, but it isn't clear which dog is sick. It could be coincidence because I have a cocker spaniel that eats something non-edible and gets violently ill almost once a month
[*]It would have been very difficult, but not impossible for my dog to get in there and then get back out. There is a place he can easily jump in, but getting out would have been much harder. He is a very smart dog though
[*]Even if the coyote was interrupted, it would have come back as soon as it thought it could scarf some sheep down, although the sheep is past due to be shorn and that might have presented a problem. It doen't explain why only one leg though.
[*]My dog didn't eat much this morning, but at the same time was probably over-fed the day before according to my sister
[/list]

I think I am pretty near convicting him, but I am not sure how I should go about ending his life. I cannot conceive anyone taking him in - he will not tolerate other adult dogs and I don't think anyone would want to take in a dog that has killed livestock.

We got him years before we had a child and although he is very tolerant, we do often wonder how he would behave if an older toddler really pushed him.

I could take him to the vet, but he is such a good friend and I know he hates going to the vet with a passion. He may have killed that sheep, but for many years I slept better at night knowing no stranger would mess with a menacing 50# dark chocolae dog with ripling muscles and eyes that hide the whites. He would defend us to the death, but his violent tendencies make it very hard.

He is a rescue, and we made a legal promise not to take him to a pound, but that was many years ago, and many hundred miles away. He was a handful for the rescuers and his shar-pei instinct to not tolerate dogs "not in his care or pack" was a real problem.

The sheep he killed has been a real PITA lately, but it also happened to be the ONE sheep my wife picked out and wanted. My wife gets pretty emotionally attached to her animals and this is not remotely easy for her.

Anyway, since I am still on vacation I look forward to any thoughts or opinions on this because I am pretty conflicted.
 
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Re: I\'m might to have to shoot my pal (dog) :(

If you don't know he did it for a fact, hard call.

If you think he can be VERY dangerous to others, that may be another story.

I can't tell you what to do, sorry.

If you have to end his life, outside, two ways. Rifle, short range shot, large caliber, make it quick and while he's not looking at you. Handgun, lager caliber as well, of course close range, again while he's not looking at you.

Try to put the shot in his heart (and know where it is). Plan a quick follow up shot no matter what, he deserves that.

Would think that you'd like to give him a burial if you go that route. Hard to plan the shot depending on where you want to lay him to rest. A 50lb dog can get VERY heavy after a short distance. You will also need to consider the caliber and what it can do to his body. Can/could get messy for transportation.

If you have to go this route, try to make his last days the most "fun" he ever has had.

I really hope you don't have to go that route, and my gut tells me to make sure he is the culprit.
 
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Re: I\'m might to have to shoot my pal (dog) :(

If you don't know he did it for a fact, hard call.

If you think he can be VERY dangerous to others, that may be another story.

I can't tell you what to do, sorry.

If you have to end his life, outside, two ways. Rifle, short range shot, large caliber, make it quick and while he's not looking at you. Handgun, lager caliber as well, of course close range, again while he's not looking at you.

Try to put the shot in his heart (and know where it is). Plan a quick follow up shot no matter what, he deserves that.

Would think that you'd like to give him a burial if you go that route. Hard to plan the shot depending on where you want to lay him to rest. A 50lb dog can get VERY heavy after a short distance. You will also need to consider the caliber and what it can do to his body. Can/could get messy for transportation.

If you have to go this route, try to make his last days the most "fun" he ever has had.

I really hope you don't have to go that route, and my gut tells me to make sure he is the culprit.
 
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Re: I\'m might to have to shoot my pal (dog) :(

I do not envy you at all. that is a tough call. I really hate to see dogs on a chain but in this case it might be a good thing.
If you build him a nice dog house and chain him up to it maybe you could still have a good ( barking) guard dog and not have to get rid of a loyal friend. Then you could always let him off the chain for a good run while you are there to keep an eye on him.
Just a thought.
 
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Re: I\'m might to have to shoot my pal (dog) :(

I do not envy you at all. that is a tough call. I really hate to see dogs on a chain but in this case it might be a good thing.
If you build him a nice dog house and chain him up to it maybe you could still have a good ( barking) guard dog and not have to get rid of a loyal friend. Then you could always let him off the chain for a good run while you are there to keep an eye on him.
Just a thought.
 
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Re: I\'m might to have to shoot my pal (dog) :(

Well, I talked to my sister this morning and she is going to put the rest of the dogs outside (much smaller) and see if he still gets sick. He has been exceptionally healthy, so if he is stomache sick it probably means he dined on raw sheep.

If not... well I guess I'll have to look fro more evidence/clues. I do want to be sure about this.
 
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Re: I\'m might to have to shoot my pal (dog) :(

Well, I talked to my sister this morning and she is going to put the rest of the dogs outside (much smaller) and see if he still gets sick. He has been exceptionally healthy, so if he is stomache sick it probably means he dined on raw sheep.

If not... well I guess I'll have to look fro more evidence/clues. I do want to be sure about this.
 
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Re: I\'m might to have to shoot my pal (dog) :(

To me, it seems you have some strong suspicions, but no really hard evidence. I always think about how one would feel if you assume the worst, take ultimate action, then find out later that this dog was not the culprit. I do not see that we are ready to execute this animal based on the data presented. I think isolating the dog, seeing his habits and behaviors, and then acting accordingly. I know in people, which are far crys from dogs, erratic behavior can sometimes be a result of underlying illness. I personally have seen hundreds of instances where an elderly person, for example, would be on three or four psychotropic meds only to find out later he/she had an untreated urinary tract infection that caused the behaviors. I am not a vet, but this would be something to check into. If animals keep dying unexpectedly around your place you might be able to nab the culprit and it MIGHT not be your dog.

John M
 
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Re: I\'m might to have to shoot my pal (dog) :(

To me, it seems you have some strong suspicions, but no really hard evidence. I always think about how one would feel if you assume the worst, take ultimate action, then find out later that this dog was not the culprit. I do not see that we are ready to execute this animal based on the data presented. I think isolating the dog, seeing his habits and behaviors, and then acting accordingly. I know in people, which are far crys from dogs, erratic behavior can sometimes be a result of underlying illness. I personally have seen hundreds of instances where an elderly person, for example, would be on three or four psychotropic meds only to find out later he/she had an untreated urinary tract infection that caused the behaviors. I am not a vet, but this would be something to check into. If animals keep dying unexpectedly around your place you might be able to nab the culprit and it MIGHT not be your dog.

John M
 

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