Im losing faith fast,

[KenGod]

I have had my ck20hst w/ loader/backhoe/blade for 1 1/2 years now, once again its dead where it sits, and it so happens to be on my island im clearing out.

In the short time I have owned it its been in shop way to many times in my opinion, I dont even work it hard

3 times for the backhoe levels not working, finally he replaced the entire valve/ball/arm assemblie
3 times because it wont shut, finally traced a bad connection
1 time for a bad ignition switch, wouldn't start, replaced it
1 time for 2 moderately leaking backhoe stabilizer arm valves
1 time because the brake pedal rubbed against the hydro line and cut into the rubber.

and now today im digging up little stumps with the backhoe and it sounds like one of the valves is stuck open, none of the backhoe controls works, When I put the hdyro pto arm in neutral you can tell something is stuck because the load is gone off the engine, engage the arm again and the engine loads up, looking at the valves they all move in all directions, something must be stuck inside the valve, now my dealer is going to have to come to my place jump onto the island and repair it in the field, so much for working on my project today.

Anyone else have this many problems with there kioti?
I hate to say it but im thinking I should have bought green, made in usa

Frustrated, Ken

 

[JonKioti]

Hi Ken,

I'm sorry to hear to the problems, that must be frustrating, especially given your location.

You didn't say who was doing the servicing - is it you due to your location or is there a dealer involved?

While I cannot say I have had the same situation with my tractor, I did have a similar problem with my truck. All the re-occuring problems went away once the warranty was up and I took the truck to a different garage instead of the dealer.

It only takes one mechanic who doesn't have enough experience to cause a lot of problems, even in the best dealerships/service centers.

You might consider appealing to Kioti if all the problems are with Kioti brand bits.

Good luck. You do have a good tractor, and I don't say that lightly.

Jon

 

[rcrcomputing]

You have had more than your fair share of issues at 1 1/2 years. OTOH, I have not had mine in the shop in the 4 years I've owned it. Though I should have as the hydo "radiator" does leak a bit. But my dealer is a longggg way away and I let it go out of warranty.

Wonder why several of your problems are hydro related.. hmm

Hope you get some ideas here. Good luck!

 

[JoelD]

I wonder is there is anything such as a lemon law with regards to tractors. With that said, I'd got through the process with your dealer, this should all fall under warranty as much of it sounds related.

Is there another dealer you can obtain service from?

Joel

 

[KenGod]

Its not the dealer, They have been great, Since I use to be a GM tech, i know its hard to trace down electrical problems, s I dont blame my dealer for my problems, The Kioti has actually only been to the dealer twice, All the other times the dealer has come to the house and fix it. Its all been under warranty and he doesn't charge for the house call, I only live about 5 miles from them. Its the machine that keeps letting me down not my dealer,
Unfortunately for them, Tomorrow, I do plan on letting him know that the non stop break downs are getting Very Old and my patience with the product is wearing Very thin. $17k investment and its always leaving me high and dry.

Since its an 07' and kioti gives 4 year warranty, Im still covered for a few years yet,( one good thing in all this bad) but Im not sure I will be able to put up with 2 more years of monthly (or so) break downs

KEN

 

[IslandTractor]

Hope things turn around for you. It does sound like you've been chasing more than your share of gremlins. Lucky you have a good dealer so close by.

Do you have the KB2365 or KB2465 backhoe? I know there were valve issues with the earlier model but thought they (the Kioti subcontractor) got that under control with the new model.

What was backhoe stabilizer moderate leakdown issue? Or was it a leak? Leakdown is pretty standard with all backhoe cylinders as I'm sure you know. What was it that got your attention?

The ignition problem related to the switch is one of the well documented Achilles' Heels for the CK. At least it is a simple fix.

Regarding Green. You'd have to be in the 50HP plus size range to get anything Green made in the USA. Consumer Reports just gave Green lawn mowers the lowest reliability score so even they have troubles.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

While you have had a lot of total problems if you break it down between tractor problems and back hoe problems then technically you only had three problems with the tractor (it just took the shop multiple times to figure out the problem) and the same with the backhoe. Hopefully you will have a similar experience as I did with my TN. The first year it seemed like it was always in the shop but since then it has been very reliable for the last 8+ years and is only now starting to develop little problems that need to be addressed after 1400 hours. Good luck to you.

 

[KenGod]

Hope things turn around for you. It does sound like you've been chasing more than your share of gremlins. Lucky you have a good dealer so close by.

Do you have the KB2365 or KB2465 backhoe? I know there were valve issues with the earlier model but thought they (the Kioti subcontractor) got that under control with the new model.

What was backhoe stabilizer moderate leakdown issue? Or was it a leak? Leakdown is pretty standard with all backhoe cylinders as I'm sure you know. What was it that got your attention?

The ignition problem related to the switch is one of the well documented Achilles' Heels for the CK. At least it is a simple fix.

Regarding Green. You'd have to be in the 50HP plus size range to get anything Green made in the USA. Consumer Reports just gave Green lawn mowers the lowest reliability score so even they have troubles.

The Bh is a 2365, (paid $5000) bought it last spring, So did I get the old problematic BH? it would be my luck

It wasnt leakdown, hydro was running down the piston.

I unhooked/hooked the quick connect hydro lines 3 or 4 times today and the sticking valve on the BH has seems to be gone now, for how long I dont know.

I know she is a very strong machine, It just gets very frustrating when she lets you down so often, when she works, she works like a team of mules. I hope sooner or later all my problems will be gone and I wont have to worry it she is going to poop the bed on the next project.

Ken

 

[bluechip]

It sounds to me like one of the quick connects that attaches the backhoe to the tractor is not properly seated. the checkvalve will block the flow of oil and provide teh exact symptoms you describe... worth a look.

 

[greenmule]

Not saying here that if a company sells something it doesn't have to work or anything like that,ok,but..

These little tractors are to little for a fel let alone a backhoe,problems bound to arise.

I wouldn't want a backhoe on anything less than about 50 hp[you'd think by the time you get a tractor with that many hp,body/frame/etc,would be big enough to handle it.]

Sounds like 80 percent of your problems come from hoe.

You need to fix that thing,sell it,and get you a much bigger tractor.

Kinda like plowing a field with a sears lawnmower,[love that picture of that]