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[mcfarmall]

Ve have vays of making you talk!

 

[LD1]

Late to the thread. but I agree that I think its all about the chain angle.

You did mention the truck was lifted. So I assume it had some offroad tires as well. Lifted truck and strapped to the hitch would have made the truck lift up on the container at the same time as adding downforce to the rear tires to help them bite.

Tractor drawbars are low and I cannot imagine you had much chain angle to lift the container. Result is it was trying to bulldoze. Hitches are low for a reason....to prevent a wheel stand and backflip.

Not advocating you do it, but I'd venture a guess that if you chained to the tractor at the same height as the truck was chained, you would have had success.

 

[CobyRupert]

Agree with others: chain angle.
...or magic.

Regarding previous keyboard issue: Shouldn't you use "uu" (a "double-u", get it?) as an equivalent substitute for a "w"?

..but why do we write a "double-u" (w) like it's a double-v ("vv"), but pronounce it as "double-u". :confused3: Freakin' Germanic languages!

-I was always amazed that it takes 3 syllables to pronounce that 1 letter?! ...and where do you hyphenate it?

 

[Gem99ultra]

First of all, I have a keyboard problem. The letter betveen the Q&E on my keyboard quit vorking so I vill use the "v".

Ve decided to move a 40' shipping container. 8K pounds. Ve chained to it a 5K tractor vith R4 tires. The tires dug in and spun.
Ve chained up a second 5K tractor vith 4x4 and R4 tires. Both tractors vith 6 R4 tires dug and spun.
Ve chained up a 1 ton chevy 4x4 and got it to move.

Ve had to unchain and reattach several times to pull in different directions to get it vhere ve vanted it.
During this ve found that ve only needed the chevy truck. Only one time vhen the container started ploving 2' of dirt did ve need to chain up a tractor.

So, my question is vhy did the chevy 4x4 out pull the 2 tractors?
The chevy is lifted vith vider M&S tires.

You'll get the best replies if you first go to Best Buy and pick up a $25 keyboard. Questions are usually difficult to answer if one can not decipher what the question was in the first place.
But off topic, I join you as a Vietnam Vet. Congrats for making it out alive.

 

[CobyRupert]

First of all, I have a keyboard problem. The letter betveen the Q&E on my keyboard quit vorking so I vill use the "v".
.
Veteran US Army Infantry
Life member Vietnam Veterans of America
.

What is a Weitnam Wet?

 

[ovrszd]

What is a Weitnam Wet?

Good one!!!

 

[ch1ch2]

:laughing:

 

[MossRoad]

Thanks Moss
I've seen these two in person a few times. No bra under the halters and no panties under the shorts.

And that was just the car...

 

[bspeedy]

Read the original question in the voice of Sergeant Schultz from Hogan's Heroes....

It's all downhill after that.

 

[theg]

:laughing:

 

[sbct]

I own a singe rear wheel Ram 2500 with a Cummins diesel. It weighs well over 8000 pounds empty. It also has 800 pounds of torque from the factory. You put those two things together with even just a tiny bit of traction and it will tow anything you could possibly chain to the back of it. You are talking about a $300,000+ tractor to get one that has that much power under the hood. Brand new RAM 3500 dually's have a towing capacity rating of over 30,000 pounds!

 

[CincyFlyer]

MacGregor makes a good point. Other things to consider as far as a truck out pulling a tractor, I believe it's because of the superior torque of the truck engine and rpm capability compared to the tractor engine. The other factor is weight distribution. Once the tractor initiates a load, not much weight is left on the front tires. Another factor is the weight of the vehicles themselves. If the truck weighs even a thousand pounds more or even the same weight, game over for the tractor. And finally as alluded to by others, tractor tires aren't the best traction devices on pavement.

It's only torque at the point of traction that matters; you can have as much torque as you like with the proper gearing.

 

[CincyFlyer]

I own a singe rear wheel Ram 2500 with a Cummins diesel. It weighs well over 8000 pounds empty. It also has 800 pounds of torque from the factory. You put those two things together with even just a tiny bit of traction and it will tow anything you could possibly chain to the back of it. You are talking about a $300,000+ tractor to get one that has that much power under the hood. Brand new RAM 3500 dually's have a towing capacity rating of over 30,000 pounds!

The 800 foot pounds of twist coming from that engine is swell, but it only matters how much torque the tires can produce against the ground. A slipping tire produces little. And gearing can give you an arbitrarily large amount of potential (only potential without traction!) at the rear wheels. Note that the creeper gear on some tractors with perhaps 75 foot pounds of torque at the crank can turn that into 1500 lbs or more.

 

[LD1]

. Note that the creeper gear on some tractors with perhaps 75 foot pounds of torque at the crank can turn that into 1500 lbs or more.

Far Far more.

I think of creeper gear as about 1 mph.

With a 48" tall tire, that's about 7 revolutions per minute at the tire.

Engine cranking 2500 rpm to make that 75 ft pounds...that's North of 26,000 ft-lbs at the tire.

There is a reason why a 50 hp/ 75 ft-lb tractor has larger axles than a 400hp /800ft-lb truck

 

[ovrszd]

I own a singe rear wheel Ram 2500 with a Cummins diesel. It weighs well over 8000 pounds empty. It also has 800 pounds of torque from the factory. You put those two things together with even just a tiny bit of traction and it will tow anything you could possibly chain to the back of it. You are talking about a $300,000+ tractor to get one that has that much power under the hood. Brand new RAM 3500 dually's have a towing capacity rating of over 30,000 pounds!

Comparing the pulling ability of your truck to a $300K tractor is unfair. Unfair for your truck. No comparison there at all.

Unless you are carrying a lot of tools, etc., I don't think your truck will weigh over 8K lbs. My Powerstroke Super Duty weighs 6850lbs full of fuel.

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

Comparing the pulling ability of your truck to a $300K tractor is unfair. Unfair for your truck. No comparison there at all.

Unless you are carrying a lot of tools, etc., I don't think your truck will weigh over 8K lbs. My Powerstroke Super Duty weighs 6850lbs full of fuel.

But it's a DODGE! WITH A CUMMINS! lol.

 

[ovrszd]

But it's a DODGE! WITH A CUMMINS! lol.

Yep. Great trucks. Just not Godlike.