I am into to it now! Jd 14t

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BryanM

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I went to an auction today, they had a 14t it looked to me to be in fair to good shape, so I set a price in my head on what I would give for it and proceeded not to pay a dam bit of attention to my set price, went over. what the heck was I thinking? Well I got it home and put into my barn and got the frozen hay out of it. rotated it by hand and evry thing seems to be operating, I THINK! I have never owned or played with a baler before. So I guess my next move is to find a manual and parts book so I can figure thingsa out.

I plan on geting some pics up in the next few days, but until then does anyone have any advice on what to look for or to check? Is their somewhere I can find the year out from serial number? Like I said I am into it now! It should be fun! And ZZ do you have any pics of your 14t I can look at to figure out what needs to be done to mine? thanks
 
   / I am into to it now! Jd 14t #2  
Hook it up and see if it turns. Square balers are always fickle.
You need to work with somebody square baling hay. Get a feel for what should happen.
Good Luck
Otherwise
I think its about 50 years old or so. I have some old green junk about the same vintage.
Locally they go for 200 to 500 depending. The last area auction several didnt get bids.
They scrap at close to 200.
 
   / I am into to it now! Jd 14t #3  
Y soytenly. I presume its a twine (plastic or sisal), tractor driven (instead of pony motor, and not missing any chains.

I'd get a decent set of tires under it first so that the thing can be moved and the pickup head won't be down in the dirt.

1st empty the bale chamber out completely so you can stick your nose in and see all of the mechanism. Cut out all the twine so its free and clear of remnants.

Set the tongue straight so it won't have any cyclic resistance in the driveline. Put a new shear pin in the flywheel so you know its good. Now start looking in the knotter frame area for a bunch of springs. They are probably pretty tired and worn. Pull one out at a time and get some new ones as necessary. Home Depot, TSC, ACO , etc have boxes of springs of the same tension and length.

Look underneath the bale case (under the knotter frame area) and pluck at the plunger stops. These often are plugged up with hay chaff, springs shot, and not straight. Make sure they move when you give them a pull.

Check out the auger drive and find all the zerks. Get clean grease out of all shafts they lubricate. Flip the tucker fingers and make sure they snap back into home position. On the knotter wheels, spray some wd40 or light oil on the balls of the wiper arms to make sure they rotate freely. Find the twine cutoff knives and see if they are sharp. If not you can pull out the hold down bolts on the knotter arms, flip them up, and change the knives to new ones. They may have been riveted on. If so, grind off, remove knives, sharpen or replace. Then fasten back with bolts.

Next, you can spin the measuring wheel and figure out how to trip the knotter. Roll the flywheel over, hand over hand real slow and see if the knot sequence starts ok. First the needles will come up. See if they slide up through the twine disks barely touching. If not, loosen the needle bolts and tweak them. Watch for the needles to retract, the bill hooks spin, and the wiper arms get smacked across the billhooks to clean the knot off and cut the twine. Even by hand, it happens so fast you will want to have someone turn it slowly for you to see it all happen. At normal drive speed this sequence takes about 1/3 of a second. Then you can hook up the tractor drive and run it at idle speed. Trip the knotter and cross your fingers. The sequence will fly by. Keep your hands away from things. There should be a natural progression in time of the plunger packing a flake (no hay in it yet) the knotter tripping , needles rising billhooks spinning, plunger retracting and the needles retracting. The needle brake should also be checked. You want a lot of brake torque on it, but too much could cause the shear pin in the needle pickup rod to break.

Now check to see how sharp the hay knives are in the plunger and the stationary knife. Sharpen as necessary. These should be aligned pretty close together.

Buy some new spools of twine. You will need a fish scale to check the pull thru tension at each stage of the twine feed: twine box, twine disks in the knotter, etc. Check the tips of the needles to see if the little pulleys in there spin freely. Check the twine guides to see if they are worn. They are ceramic electrical insulators: Hardware store items.

Go over the driveline to see if the slip clutch has even been cycled. Check the main gearbox for oil. The chain at the gearbox oftens runs loose. Adjust the idler as necessary to take out the slack.

Man that just about covers any conventional square baler.

There are some guys on eBay who sell manuals. Gets a parts book, too. Many of the parts are interchangable with the newer models, including New Holland models. The patent name is "Deering knotter" so thay all had the same guts. Missing any bale pick up teeth? Now is the time to get them replaced. I bough a few new ones on eBay.

If you are still lookin for something to do, grease the wheel bearings..

The user manual will give you the same speal but with pictures.

Go buy some hay bales and break them up. Feed the twine out of the twine box, up thru the needles, and back to the wagon hitch and tie a simple knot. While running the driveline, manually trip the knotter (pull up on the twine disk lever). the thing will cycle, load the twine disk and return to station. Toss in some hay (1/2 a bale will do). Then manually trip the knotter again. The thing will cycle, complete a knot and wait for more hay.

You should have a nice little bale ready to feed to a pigmy pony. When starting up next hay season, you will need to adjust the hay tension springs so you get the weight of bales you need (want). As you make the first few rounds, you might want to check the bale length. Adjust this as necessary with the shim bolt on the measuring wheel arm.

You are now a baler man.

Paint is good, clean is good. Dry is mandatory. Don't even let the bale chamber or knotter parts get wet. The dust, pollen, mud, chaff makes cement that can get ugly.

I always blow out my machine with an air hose jet after every use. This lets you inspect for loose parts, missing springs, missing case bolts (where do they go???), shear pins strained, and keeps your storage shed nice and clean.

Your turn.
 
   / I am into to it now! Jd 14t
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ZZ you just blew my mind! That was clear as mud!:) I did get on ebay and bid on a manual and parts manual so I can at least look talk with the same vocabulary. Other than that I am lost. I mean as far as knowing where the shear pin is, duck bill that sort of thing I dont follow cause I dont know what to look for YET! But I will! pics if you got them would help but dont go and take new ones I will get a manual that I would think would help me out in all this. so today I think I will get it cleaned up a bit more and lubricate and oil what I can.:)
 
   / I am into to it now! Jd 14t #5  
Sorry for the info overload. Take it one small step at a time. And, don't just hook it up and try it out. That's not the way to treat old machinery, especially something that came from an auction. The baler probably got "inspected" by quite a few know-it-alls who promptly moved this and that, stole some parts for their own machine, emptied the toolbox, bent the jack and threw a wrench into your machine. But so what. Now you want to search for any potential problems and pull out their thorns.

This project will make you a much better mechanic and mechanical diagnostician. It will probably get you some extra tools in your toolbox and give you a great sense of accomplishment. If nothing else, a painted, working baler for a mom and pop horse farm with some acreage is worth about $1500 to $2000. A person who boards a horse some place will pay extra to know that the hay for their puppy comes from that field "over there". That's the audience you want to discover. That's how I got started. I do computer simulation of vehicle dynamics, not farm machinery maintenance, for a living.

Also: you will need a decent hay mower and probably a rake to complete the operation. They are far less complicated to operate and maintain that the baler.

BTW: if you had bought an old '56 Chevy, with a 283 v8, 4 barrel carburetor, 4 speed Muncie, points condenser, mechanical lifters, and a Positraction instead at the same auction, would the first thing you do as the new owner, be to take it out on I-96 and "blow the carbon out of it" and see how fast she'll go ? If so, your baler, like your Chev, will most likely wind up in the same yard; priced by the pound, not by the service.
 
   / I am into to it now! Jd 14t #6  
ZZ that was a really good set of instructions!:)

Bryan get the manuals and really go thru them. Though you would be suprised at how much you could learn about one of these balers just by spinning it over(or having someone else do it) and watching all the parts move. It should be a great winter project. This also the time of year to watch for mowers and rakes at auctions or on the back of dealer lots.

Good Luck
 
   / I am into to it now! Jd 14t #7  
BryanM said:
ZZ you just blew my mind! That was clear as mud!:) I did get on ebay and bid on a manual and parts manual so I can at least look talk with the same vocabulary. Other than that I am lost. I mean as far as knowing where the shear pin is, duck bill that sort of thing I dont follow cause I dont know what to look for YET! But I will! pics if you got them would help but dont go and take new ones I will get a manual that I would think would help me out in all this. so today I think I will get it cleaned up a bit more and lubricate and oil what I can.:)

Get the manuals. That's step #1. I'm looking for a 14T baler or equivalent. I couldn't find a 14T manual, but I did find a manual for the JD 214T baler that I'm using to get educated on these things.
 
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rdbigfarmboy said:
You need to work with somebody square baling hay. Get a feel for what should happen.

This is some great advice for anyone wanting to start haying, find someone who has experience and work with them to learn the ins and outs of making good hay. I was lucky and was able to work with my ex's father who was a lifetime dairy farmer. He grew up on his parents dairy farm and ended up buying it from them when he was older and was starting his own family. He had probably 35-40 years of helping his father and doing it himself so when I wanted to start my own hay business I bought my baler and two wagons, bought another kicker rack to put on one of his running gears and used his 489 haybine and 256 rake and baled all of his land with him helping me to learn. Once I finished his field I moved all the equipment 20 miles to my farm and baled another 100 acres and then moved the equipment back to his farm for second cutting. He sold the dairy section of his farm off shortly after and I bought his rake and running gear but had already bought a discbine.

His knowledge on haying was worth more to me then anything and I will always be thankful to him for it. He was one of the nicest people I have ever met.

I wish you the best with your hay adventure.
 
   / I am into to it now! Jd 14t
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I was messing around with the 14t baler i just bought and got the frozen bales out of it. So I got a manual and tried following the instructions to thread the needles but when I do this and tie the twine to the crank case and turn flywheel over counterclockwise untill the needles cycle back too the home position one side ties a knot in the twine but the otherside just cuts the twine without any knot. is this normal when turning over by hand? I also got a few pics of the baler hopefully can get them on here.

I also notice that both knife arms are not exactly alike? I will work on the pics
 
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does anyone know how to downsize pics? It says my pics to big! I thought I saw some instructions on here a while back.:D
 

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