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reddmax

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I have a question about Power beyond and a 545C tractor (Ford). I have a picture of the bottom of the HUSCO valve that runs the loader controls (Attached). There is a T at the bottom of the Valve, is this the power beyond connection or is it a T on the return line?
 

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   / Hydraulic newbie #2  
The T on the valve is normally the TANK port or return port.

PB port will have PB, or PBY or something similar.
 
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Ok, looking at the new holland parts site I see it now. So if there is no power beyond how do I provide hydraulics to a backhoe I'm planning on installing?
 
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I don't know the schematic layout of your hyd system, but there are some things you can do.

Most valves that only have a return port for the fluid, has a very low back pressure rating for the tank/return port some about 250 to about 500 psi. This kind of valve should be used in a high pressure series flow path.

If your BH has a relief valve on it, and a PB port you can route the pressure line directly to the BH first and then to the FEL.

Install an external relief valve before any valve for pump protection, especially when using QD's.

Disconnect the line going to the 3pt and install a female QD. This will be used when removing the BH. Add a male QD to the pump output line. This will feed the BH.

If you will not need the 3pt, you can then run the return from the BH to tank. If you need 3pt while BH installed, then run the PB from the BH to the 3pt input port.

For 3pt operation with no BH, connect the male QD to the female QD 3pt input .

2. You could just replace the FEL valve with a valve with PB, and run a single hose to the back and a PB hose hose from the BH to the 3pt. The tank port from the BH would then go to tank.
 
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What complicates this configuration is that there are actually two pumps in the tractor, one for the loader and one for the rear 3 pt and remote. It's kind of cool, but it makes things really hard to figure out. I'll post more tomorrow on this.
 
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To update, there are two pumps in the 545C. A large (26 GPM) pump in the front, and a smaller pump in the center space for 3pt and remotes (Remotes run at 8 GPM @ 2200 RPM). Anyway, as far as I can tell with the the 764 connection diagram there is a power beyond on the backhoe that connects into the loader
 

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Since you have two pumps, and they are open center, any valve you add must be in series with the flow from that pump.

You should use a valve with PB to send fluid downstream. You add in the BH valve with PB as the first valve after one of the pumps and feed the other valves downstream using the PB out on the BH valve. The OUT/RETURN port should go to tank.

One pump probably has more GPM's than the other, and the more GPM's you use, the faster things work. You might not want fast, so use the lower GPM pump to feed the BH.

One pump circuit might look like this.

Pump, BH valve , divider circuit, loader valve, then tank.

Other pump circuit might look like this. Pump, remote valve, 3pt, then tank.

Not sure which pump is feeding the power steering, and it might be a divider valve.

Which ever pump you use, leave the divider circuit alone.

If you remove the BH, you will need to couple the tractor unused BH lines together.
 

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