How to raise loader arms on non-working tractor?

[CenTex Chris]

Howdy from Texas,

I have a Kioti CK35 HST that will not start (fully charged batt. but key only clicks).

I need to get this thing up on the flatbed somehow so I can take it to the dealer for service.

I can do this with comealong hoist and chain, however the tractor loader arms and bucket are all the way down and very much in the way. How can I raise the loader arms?

Fortunately the bucket is not flat on the ground. It's resting at an angle on two pulled fence posts so I have a couple inches of clearance below the bottom edge. Might have to upload a pic to show what I mean.

If anybody has any tricks for manually raising loader arms, I'd be most obliged. Thanks in advance!

 

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Howdy from Texas,

I have a Kioti CK35 HST that will not start (fully charged batt. but key only clicks).

I need to get this thing up on the flatbed somehow so I can take it to the dealer for service.

I can do this with comealong hoist and chain, however the tractor loader arms and bucket are all the way down and very much in the way. How can I raise the loader arms?

Fortunately the bucket is not flat on the ground. It's resting at an angle on two pulled fence posts so I have a couple inches of clearance below the bottom edge. Might have to upload a pic to show what I mean.

If anybody has any tricks for manually raising loader arms, I'd be most obliged. Thanks in advance!

Do you need power to remove the loader completely? May be easiest to take it off and only take the tractor to the dealer.

 

[k0ua]

Howdy from Texas,

I have a Kioti CK35 HST that will not start (fully charged batt. but key only clicks).

I need to get this thing up on the flatbed somehow so I can take it to the dealer for service.

I can do this with comealong hoist and chain, however the tractor loader arms and bucket are all the way down and very much in the way. How can I raise the loader arms?

Fortunately the bucket is not flat on the ground. It's resting at an angle on two pulled fence posts so I have a couple inches of clearance below the bottom edge. Might have to upload a pic to show what I mean.

If anybody has any tricks for manually raising loader arms, I'd be most obliged. Thanks in advance!

Chris, while I haven't personally done this, I would think that that if you placed the joystick into "float" mode by pushing it forward past the detent where it should stay, then raising the loader arms by any method you choose, Jack, long lever and a fulcrum (2x4 and chunk of wood) or some other method to get them raised off of the ground temporarily. Then when they are up, push the joystick back to the neutral position. and block the arms up with a piece of angle iron and tye wrap it to the cylinder so it doesn't come loose. They should stay up and you can then get it on the transport trailer. If you don't have any angle iron of suitable size, you could nail a couple of 2x4's together on their edges at right angles to make an angle block.

BUT, the first thing I would do is fix the tractor where it stands. The very first thing I would do is swap the fuel shut off relays and the starter solenoid relays to see if it would now crank. Of course If I had a new starter relay on hand I would just use it. Those relays are notorious for failure. They are cheap and easy to acquire at the auto parts store.

 

[k0ua]

Do you need power to remove the loader completely? May be easiest to take it off and only take the tractor to the dealer.

Removing the loader without a running tractor would be very problematic, as hydraulics are used to get it both off and on. I am not saying it couldn't be done with using levers to pry it off, but it would be a real pain.

 

[CenTex Chris]

Do you need power to remove the loader completely?

My understanding is that the conventional way to remove the loader arms requires a running tractor, providing hydraulic pressure. Right now I have neither!

 

[CenTex Chris]

block the arms up with a piece of angle iron

Yes, my dealer gave me a piece of angle iron for this very purpose back when I bought the tractor. Just gotta *find* it!

The very first thing I would do is swap the fuel shut off relays and the starter solenoid relays... they are cheap and easy to acquire at the auto parts store.

Hey, that gives me something to go on. They're common? I suppose I can pull 'em (once I figure out where they are) and see if the local AutoZone has a match.

Thanks James,

 

[k0ua]

Yes, my dealer gave me a piece of angle iron for this very purpose back when I bought the tractor. Just gotta *find* it!



Hey, that gives me something to go on. They're common? I suppose I can pull 'em (once I figure out where they are) and see if the local AutoZone has a match.

Thanks James,

Yes, they are a very common relay. The fuel shut off relay and the starter solenoid relay (a likely suspect here if the starter will not turn and the battery feed to it is for sure good and not corroded) can be swapped as they are the same relay. This will allow the tractor to crank, and if the original starter solenoid relay is bad, and now controlling the fuel solenoid. then the tractor WILL NOT START, but it will crank. This will tell you that the original starter relay is defective and you can yank it out of its connector and take it with you to the auto parts store. Do you have a voltmeter and know how to use it?

 

[k0ua]

The Relays are on the upper left firewall. The pre heat relay should have a 70 amp rating the other two should have a 40 amp rating. Find the two that are the same and swap them.

 

[k0ua]

Just to be sure, the original problem is that the starter motor will not turn over correct? You hear a relay click, (probably the fuel relay and solenoid out on the fuel rack) but when the key is moved to the start position, the starter motor does not rotate.

 

[k0ua]

This may help. Of course the clutch switch could be at fault here too.