How to disengage mow in reverse switch?

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Blademan

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Love my new 1529 but hate the "no mow in reverse". I know I found something somewhere about disengaging it but can't find it now. Can anyone help? Can I uncouple an electrical plug somewhere or do I have to go underneath and manually defeat the switch? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Thanks in advance,
Blademan
 
   / How to disengage mow in reverse switch? #2  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Can I uncouple an electrical plug somewhere )</font>

Probably so; that's all that was required on my 1995 2130AG Cub. I'm not familiar enough with your model, but mine was at the rear of the engine on the left side (left side as you're sitting in the seat) down low.
 
   / How to disengage mow in reverse switch? #3  
I figured out how to do mine, but also figure if I couldn't figure it out, I didn't deserve the privelage, and that it was probably there for my protection and those who happen to operate the mower.

Not meaning to insult anyone, but I agree with the policy of another forum (good one on Deere lawn and tractor) that they will not tolerate any discussion of dismantling the safety switches (concerned over accepting some liability if anyone gets hurt after learning of the by-pass through the forum) and will delete the posts.

For me, I don't mow with anyone else around as a habit. And the reverse switch is the first thing that gets changed on a new mower. So I am no saint, but do think it risky to advise others how its done on an open forum. Don't want to get our moderators in trouble or any of the sponsors. Who knows what the trial lawyers could dream up. I have heard of many horror stories over the years that this stretch wouldn't surprise me one bit. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
   / How to disengage mow in reverse switch? #4  
Beenthere, I can certainly understand what you're talking about, and especially understand when a dealer will not disable any "safety" device. In fact, the dealer I bought that Cub from said it was "illegal" for him to disconnect that feature, but that his mechanic would show me where that plug was. The mechanic "showed" me by disconnecting it and somehow it just never got plugged back together. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I'm certainly not telling anyone to disconnect anything, but I will tell you that mine was disconnected; wouldn't have bought or owned the machine otherwise.

Now I've been unable to find any law that requires a lawn tractor (riding mower) to disengage the mower deck every time you shift to reverse. On my Cub, it was an electric PTO so if you stepped on the pedal to back up, it disengaged, then you had to turn the switch off (push it in) and back on again (pull it out) to re-engage the blades. I later bought a 2002 Craftsman and it did not include that feature; mowed just fine forward and backward, so I really doubt that there's any law requiring such a feature, although it may be Cub Cadet's practice to put such on their machines and company policy to prohibit dealers from disconnecting it.

Incidentally, that Cub also had a seat safety switch. Sounds like a good idea, right? Trouble was that every time I shifted my weight to one side, the motor died, and I simply could not get myself to not lean to one side on slopes, so I simply unplugged that one, too. But on the Craftsman, which also had a similar switch, I could lean either direction without affecting it, the seat had to tilt forward a bit to kill the engine, and a spring would tilt it forward if the weight came off the seat, but shifting weight to one side of the seat would not kill the engine, so I left that switch connected.
 
   / How to disengage mow in reverse switch? #5  
That would be a pain. "Can't help much.
My 7264 has a switch to disengage the reverse safety. I guess they figure if you flip the switch you'll know when its running or not. (safety)
GrayBeard
 
   / How to disengage mow in reverse switch? #6  
I thought that you guys would find this interesting.

LAWNMOWER MAN
by Randy Cassingham

By any measure, it was a tragic accident. In April 2004, Orvil Reedy
was mowing the lawn with a rider mower in front of his house in
Daleville, Virginia. Reedy and his wife, Roberta, operated a day care
facility from the house. One of their charges was Justin Simmons, 4.
Roberta was watching the boy, and went into the house to change his
younger brother's diaper. She left Justin there, sitting on the lawn,
unattended. Orvil kept mowing, heading up a slope.

The slope was too steep: the mower rolled backward and stalled. He
tried to restart it, but then noticed two tiny legs sticking out from
under the multi-bladed mower's deck. He screamed.

Roberta came running, but it was too late: Justin was dead. Is it
outrageous for someone whose profession it is to care for small children
to allow them to be anywhere near a machine that could easily kill them?
You bet. Thus his parents, Ron and Kristie Simmons, sued, demanding $6
million for Justin's wrongful death. The Reedys had insurance: their
insurance company apparently immediately offered the full amount of the
policy, $100,000, as a settlement. It wasn't enough; it probably wouldn't
be enough for most families whose child was killed in such a violent way
due to apparent negligence of a day car provider. Of course, the day care
providers would never be able to pay $6 million, so someone else was
added to the suit. Can you guess who? Take your time to try to figure it
out.

-v-

Since the Reedys only had $100,000 worth of insurance, and the Simmons
family wanted $6 million, they also named the manufacturer of the
lawnmower to the suit, MTD Products Corp. What did MTD have to do with
the accident? The suit complained that there was no safety device to stop
the mower's blades from turning anytime the mower rolled backwards.

Is such a safety device standard on other brands? No. In fact, NO
mower has such a safety device and, according to MTD's attorney John
Fitzpatrick, no device like that has ever even been tested. Further, such
a device has never even been suggested by any safety agency, or anyone
else, before the accident in question.

Still, the case went to trial against the Reedys and MTD in June 2006.
In the trial, MTD's attorney laid the blame on the Reedys. He pointed out
that Orvil Reedy had not attempted to obtain an owner's manual for the
16-year-old lawn mower and had not paid any attention to the warning
labels on the mower.

Amazingly, just before the case went to the jury for deliberation, the
Simmonses dropped the Reedys from the suit. It is unclear whether they
had accepted the original insurance settlement or not, but the jury only
had to decide the case against MTD.

You, dear reader, are a member of the jury too -- you're a juror in
the Court of Public Opinion. How would YOU rule in this case? You may
throw it out, and even award damages to MTD. Or you may find for the
Simmonses, awarding anywhere from $1 to the $6 million they asked for, or
even more if you find MTD's conduct to be "outrageous". But you *cannot*
order the Reedys to pay a cent: they were dropped from the suit. OK, so
how do you rule?

-v-

The jury deliberated for 10 hours before finding that MTD was at fault
for not inventing a safety device that no one else has, or maybe has even
thought of before this accident.

"We're just hoping that we make a difference," said Theresa Reed, who
served on the seven-person jury in the case. "We just want the industry
to see that there's a problem that needs to be fixed."

"The jury has spoken loud and clear," said the Simmons's lawyer, Brent
Brown, after his triumph. "The protection of small children is one of the
most important obligations of society." He said the company was sued not
to get rich, but to "get the attention" of the mower industry.

The jury awarded Ron Simmons and his wife Kristie $500,000 each, and
Justin's now-3-year-old brother, Josh, $1 million for a total of $2
million.

"I find it incredulous that a jury no longer cares about common
sense," complained Brown, MTD's attorney. He promises an appeal of the
"nonsense" verdict.

I'm sure not going to fault the parents for wanting some justice for
their child, but that justice needs to come from a rational source. The
mower didn't have a safety device which didn't exist when it was made in
1988. In fact, that safety device doesn't exist NOW. Worse, it's not even
clear that the safety device the plaintiff's lawyer came up with after
the fact, even if it was now invented, tested and installed on mowers,
would have prevented Justin's death. How could a company "reasonably
foresee" such a thing?

What's the real cause of this accident? The people hired to watch
after Justin failed in their responsibility; the child was left
unattended near dangerous machinery. Yet the people responsible for
watching after him were let off the hook, and a company with deep pockets
was made to pay for their failure, even though they could not have
reasonably done a thing to prevent the accident. Why is the intentional
act of holding MTD responsible any less outrageous than the Reedys
unintentional act?


SOURCE:
1) "Lawn Mower Company Liable in Boy's Death", Roanoke Times, 18 June
2006
http://StellaAwards.com/cgi-bin/redirect5.pl?75a
 
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Just another senseless accident caused by stupid people without a clue. The settlement shows where America has gone. Straight to the dogs. MTD had nothing to do with that accident. Yet they are found guilty by a bunch of stupid people. That's just like sueing S&W because someone is killed with a stolen gun that was legally owned.
 
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It really makes you wonder... Sometimes I like to have a beer while cutting the grass on my tractor. All it will take though is one day the neighbor's cat will get loose, I'll run it over, then get arrested for MWI (mowing while intoxicated) and sued for emotional damages for the loss of, "Fluffy." :)

For a manufacturer to install safety devices to protect every person from every possible dangerous scenario would be impossible. But the lawsuits will keep coming as long as there is a way for people to find ways of getting money from big corporations by operating equipment in the wrong manner . My history tells me Ralph Nader was the founding father of this type of garbage, that man probably cut his finger one day with a pencil sharpener because he realized the hole was about the same size as his nose nostrils :)

Other than the brake pedal start switch, every safety switch on my Cub and Craftsman have been disabled as they were a silly pain the neck.

-Fordlords-
 
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The lawsuit lottery. :mad:

The lawyer speaks about how no one is suing to get rich, but I bet he didn't work for free. I bet he was on contingency. And I'm certain the plaintiff won't be giving all the money they won to charity either.

Of course, you know who gets to pay for this. Us. Anyone who buys anything from any equipment manufacturer in the future gets to foot the bill for increased manufacturers liability insurance costs, and for more safety devices that we don't want or need.

We can hope this gets tossed on appeal.
 
   / How to disengage mow in reverse switch? #10  
In case anybody needs a manual for their MTD Cub Cadet, they are easily available as free downloads from the MTD website.

Complete operator and parts manuals for the 1529 are available, but I don't think either it has the actual wiring diagram.

If your Cub Cadet 1500 series interlock switches should fail for some strange reason, the 1515/1517 manual has a complete wiring diagram showing how they are connected. I believe all the 1500 series use the same basic wiring harness.
 

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