How to bend sheet metal and get a proper bend radius

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I am starting a new project not entirely related to tractors but this site has such a diverse knowledge base. I figured I might be able to get some advice here. I am building an airplane out of aluminum. I bought a harbor freight bending brake to do most of the smaller bends. There are other techniques for bending thicker material using a shop press or an arbor press. The wings will be bent using a vacuum method. The part that I am not sure the best way to get accurate angles is with the 30" bending brake from harbor freight. The plans call for some radii to be 1/8", 1/4" 3/16 " and others 1/2". Most of the construction will be using 0.025" 6061 t6 aluminum.

I have tried to move the part back from the bend line to open up the radius. This works OK. Just looking for more consistent and accurate results.

Thanks

Mike
 
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Can you use steel rods in the proper size of the bend, adapt to you brake? I have a 6' brake with a radius edge and a straight edge, it can be flipped around for either.

Dave
 
   / How to bend sheet metal and get a proper bend radius
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I was thinking about grinding one side of the hold down plate to have a radius and keeping the other side straight. I might be looking for some rod I could tack weld to the plates for the different radii.
 
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I am not sure how yours is made, my hold down plate is 3"x3" x3/8" angle, and one side is radiused, could you weld a rod to a peice if flat stock and bolt to your holdown plate?
Are you building a model plane, or one you can fly?

Dave
 
   / How to bend sheet metal and get a proper bend radius #6  
I am starting a new project not entirely related to tractors but this site has such a diverse knowledge base. I figured I might be able to get some advice here. I am building an airplane out of aluminum. I bought a harbor freight bending brake to do most of the smaller bends. There are other techniques for bending thicker material using a shop press or an arbor press. The wings will be bent using a vacuum method. The part that I am not sure the best way to get accurate angles is with the 30" bending brake from harbor freight. The plans call for some radii to be 1/8", 1/4" 3/16 " and others 1/2". Most of the construction will be using 0.025" 6061 t6 aluminum.



I have tried to move the part back from the bend line to open up the radius. This works OK. Just looking for more consistent and accurate results.

Thanks

Mike

Well you are at the right place!

I am an A&P and taught sheet metal at local trade school.

Bending aluminum accurately is an art. Looking at a cross section, the outer 60% of the alu will stretch and the inner 40% actually shrink making very accurate bends tricky, so if accuracy is important you need to adjust your bend lines accordingly.
Now there are formulas to calculate bend radii for different metals but your plans specify them.
Generally a easy method is to make radius bars which is a strip of alu bent 90 deg and you simply use this between your brake and the work piece.
Example; using a 1/8 pre bent angle will give your work piece a 1/8 radius. and if you pre bend a second with the first , when paired you will be producing parts with a 1/4 radius.
The larger radii do pose more of a problem. If the parts are small (like brackets or clamps) you could always resort to using a vice and hand bending over a radius.
I occasionally use my bench vice and 2 lengths of angle iron (to widen the jaws) and form all sorts of smaller items.

T6 alu is 'stiff' and breaks easily and for sure needs a decent radius otherwise parts will fail.
Some hints; be sure to deburr all your edges as well as all fastener holes.
For nice clean straight cuts, forget hand sheers, use a straight edge and do a 'serious' scribe (hook knife is great) and fold it in your brake and then draw file for a perfect edge.

'nother tip. Never use a pencil to mark alu, causes corrosive reaction over time, fine felt markers are best.
Running your hand wearing a cotton glove along edges will tell you if your finishes are up to aviation standards.

Have fun, wish you were closer as I have all sorts of aviation tools and would love to be part of a project.
 
   / How to bend sheet metal and get a proper bend radius #7  
Piloon is right you will need bending bars of the correct radius on coined bends. Not familiar with hand brake from harbor freight. Hand brake will be closer to air bends so a 1/8" bend bar may not get you exactly 1/8" radius it might be a little larger but close so you may have to play around with different size bars. As mentioned don't forget your bend allowances especially on multiple bends.
 
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Thank you for the responses. The plane I am building is one that I will fly one day. The plans are by Sonex Aircraft (Sonex -- The Sport Aircraft Reality Check!). I helped a guy build one, however he ordered the kit and had most of the aluminum sheet prebent, didn't get to see any bent and what he did was done with hand seemer. I am starting this project off as a scratch build, meaning I buy the raw stock and cut and bend everything. Piloon, it would be good to have you closer. I did join the EAA and look forward to meeting other builders in the area. I lived up in St. Margaret and Mont Saint Sauveur about 20 years ago. Having someone close that has the tools already and knows how to use them would be very helpful. I just ordered two more tools last night, told the wife this is all I need...for now :)

I did find some information on bend allowance and different stresses on the inside and outside of the bend, calculating the k-factor and how to calculate total flat piece of sheet needed to get desired radius and flange lengths.

I have already learned a lot just going to buy the metal and talking to a friend on the way home that does aircraft design.

I did buy deburring tools, clecos and pliers, scotchbrite wheel for grinder, vixen file, hand seemer and few other metal specific tools. I did buy hand shears although I did hear about scoring and braking, was not sure how I was going to do that. I will have to give it a try.

Thanks again, this is just the beginning of a exciting journey.
 
   / How to bend sheet metal and get a proper bend radius #9  
"told the wife this is all I need...for now" ---L.O.L.

So we were neighbors! I am at Lake Pilon, midway between Ste Margueritte and Lac L'Achigan on rue Rolland.

Another handy tool is the old style automotive body file to finish nice straight edges.
EAA has some excellend books on sheet metal and AC43-2 and -2 also cover lots of technique.
When I started sheet metal at home, compressors were 'out of reach' and my solution was bottles of compressed gas with a regulator set at about 90psi.
I rebuild a Cessna 170B with one large bottle! (no drilling, just rivets)
Still have all my rivet guns, drills, riv nut-tools and a box full of other special tools. Little things like back spot facers, bonding brushes, cylinder base nut wrenches cable tensionometers can sure set the pocket book back a bit.
Shucks in the trade we needed to have all sorts of tooling calibrated every 12 months, and that was a cost! After a while I argued and started calibrating my own stuff.
Some was easy, like hang a 40 lb weight on a cable and the meter should read 40 lbs Right? but then they wanted the weight to be calibrated, so we went to a public scale and weighed the weight and carried on from there.
All that sort of nit pick foolishness made me happy to leave aviation but I admit I still miss it.
I did many very interesting mods over the years.
Ferry tanks for a 'round the world' single engine record flight.(Plane became all tanks and one Pilot, C210)
Fleet of 4 crop dusters in 30 days to be ferried to Africa via Nfld. They needed to be IFR with dual fuel pumps Loran, HF and Vhf.
I used the spray hoppers as my long range tanks!, one electric fuel pump and a wobble pump as back up.
The Astar350 chopper had the habit of cooking the tail rotar bearings so I designed an external heat shield of SS to vent heat away from the tail boom.
Also did many mods on Beaver AC, like complete inst panels using all new modern instruments in standard 'T' configuration.
Converted a Grumman 'Goose' to a flying camper with complete new avionics including Flight Phone and HF.
Got to work on a Spitfire being ferried to England.
Even worked/modded a PBY for an Italian owner.
We were based at Dorval, hence the interesting aircraft and challenges.
Once a Saberliner client required us to co-pilot him to Germany as he needed a co-pilot for insurance reasons. Cool! free trip.
Oh, yes, fond memories. Excuse the ranting but I just could not abstain. (Pilots will understand)
 
   / How to bend sheet metal and get a proper bend radius #10  
I am going to commit a cardinal sin of message board posting...

I didn't read all the responses
I don't really understand your question
I don't even know if the info I am giving you is any good

BUT... I happen to come across this site the other day. It appears to a VERY passionate group who focus on metal bending and shaping at a PhD level. I only spent a little time there, since it looks like the kind of thing where you could get easily sucked into an entirely new hobby, and I don't have time. It looked so cool, though, that I had to mention it. Metal Meet Forums - Powered by vBulletin
 

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