RickS
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Would anyone know how much weight the 410 FEL adds to my 4010? I'm guessing 500 pounds, but that is just an uneducated guess.
How much does the 410 FEL weigh?
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johndeere_2210
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The 410 loader is roughly 609 lbs. The book shows 774 lbs, but weight includes a 49" bucket, so that must be subtracted out (165 lbs).
49 bucket weighs 165 lbs
53" bucket weighs 170 lbs
61" bucket weighs 186 lbs
49 bucket weighs 165 lbs
53" bucket weighs 170 lbs
61" bucket weighs 186 lbs
Curious why you want to know the weight?
If you are trying to determine the capacity of trailer you need to haul your tractor with the loader installed, don't forget to add the ballast you will want to use with the loader. To get full performance of the 410, you will need 600 to 800 lbs of ballast on the back of the tractor as well.
If you are trying to determine if you can bring a new 410 loader and bucket home from the dealer on its pallet in a pickup truck and unload it by yourself. It can be done, but I would recommend having a helper and some steel-toed boots.
Of course, once you have the loader, you should also get some forks so you won't ever have to deal with manually loading and unloading heavy things from trucks again...
- Rick
If you are trying to determine the capacity of trailer you need to haul your tractor with the loader installed, don't forget to add the ballast you will want to use with the loader. To get full performance of the 410, you will need 600 to 800 lbs of ballast on the back of the tractor as well.
If you are trying to determine if you can bring a new 410 loader and bucket home from the dealer on its pallet in a pickup truck and unload it by yourself. It can be done, but I would recommend having a helper and some steel-toed boots.
Of course, once you have the loader, you should also get some forks so you won't ever have to deal with manually loading and unloading heavy things from trucks again...
- Rick
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RickS
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Thanks for the replies.
Rick, I'm trying to decide what trailer to buy. I would like to have a single axel for the ease of towing and lower cost. I have a Ford Explorer with a tow rating of 3500 lbs. I only move the tractor occasionally, but I need to make Lowes runs fairly often. I just want to make sure the trailer will carry the tractor. As it sits I have a 410 FEL installed and a box blade. The problem will be that a single axel will leave little or no room for error. A tandem axel will give me room to grow. Decisions, decisions.... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Rick, I'm trying to decide what trailer to buy. I would like to have a single axel for the ease of towing and lower cost. I have a Ford Explorer with a tow rating of 3500 lbs. I only move the tractor occasionally, but I need to make Lowes runs fairly often. I just want to make sure the trailer will carry the tractor. As it sits I have a 410 FEL installed and a box blade. The problem will be that a single axel will leave little or no room for error. A tandem axel will give me room to grow. Decisions, decisions.... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
orlo
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Rick:
3500lbs doesn't sound like enough to me to haul it. I have a 2305 which is 1450lbs (according to the manual) operating weight, add maybe 300lbs for the loading in the rear tires, 360+160 for the FEL + bucket, 700lbs for the ballast (I have 560+lbs concrete in a steel ballast box) and I'm up to 2970lbs. If I put the 200lb mower deck on I'm over 3000lbs. I also regularly want to carry attachments. I don't know how much the 4010 weighs but it's got to be more than a 2305 and even a single axle trailer has got to be close to 800-1000lbs.
I ended up buying an 18' Peaquea 10,000lb gvw (Trailer weighs 2000lbs). It wasn't much more than the 16' 8000lb. Tandem. Tandem will give you two axles with brakes also. I did see some single axles rated up to 7000lbs but they weren't much less so I opted to get the bigger trailer. (Just in case I end up getting a bigger tractor - Maybe a 5225.. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif - Actually the 5225 wouldnt' fit widthwise - Heck, maybe a 4520 naw, /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.. I also did have the luxury of plenty of tow capacity so I figured I'd get the heavier trailer. I'm pulling it with a 2500HD Sierra with an 8.1 and a six speed stone grinder std.
Originally I thought I could haul it in my enclosed snowmobile trailer which had maybe 4,000lbs of capacity(6000gvw) left but after figuring how I'd have to re-inforce the ramp, floor, etc. I decided to go with a flatbed.
As a side note, I actually was worried when I started adding up weights since after all that if I actually put 500lbs in the loader I think I could exceed the combined axle capacity of the 2305 but you need to discount the weight that's not supported by the axle bearings (Tires, wheels, loading in wheels, internal axle shaft, diff cage, etc. Anything that's supported by the wheels and not by the axle bearings comes off that. ) Then I felt better.....
3500lbs doesn't sound like enough to me to haul it. I have a 2305 which is 1450lbs (according to the manual) operating weight, add maybe 300lbs for the loading in the rear tires, 360+160 for the FEL + bucket, 700lbs for the ballast (I have 560+lbs concrete in a steel ballast box) and I'm up to 2970lbs. If I put the 200lb mower deck on I'm over 3000lbs. I also regularly want to carry attachments. I don't know how much the 4010 weighs but it's got to be more than a 2305 and even a single axle trailer has got to be close to 800-1000lbs.
I ended up buying an 18' Peaquea 10,000lb gvw (Trailer weighs 2000lbs). It wasn't much more than the 16' 8000lb. Tandem. Tandem will give you two axles with brakes also. I did see some single axles rated up to 7000lbs but they weren't much less so I opted to get the bigger trailer. (Just in case I end up getting a bigger tractor - Maybe a 5225.. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif - Actually the 5225 wouldnt' fit widthwise - Heck, maybe a 4520 naw, /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.. I also did have the luxury of plenty of tow capacity so I figured I'd get the heavier trailer. I'm pulling it with a 2500HD Sierra with an 8.1 and a six speed stone grinder std.
Originally I thought I could haul it in my enclosed snowmobile trailer which had maybe 4,000lbs of capacity(6000gvw) left but after figuring how I'd have to re-inforce the ramp, floor, etc. I decided to go with a flatbed.
As a side note, I actually was worried when I started adding up weights since after all that if I actually put 500lbs in the loader I think I could exceed the combined axle capacity of the 2305 but you need to discount the weight that's not supported by the axle bearings (Tires, wheels, loading in wheels, internal axle shaft, diff cage, etc. Anything that's supported by the wheels and not by the axle bearings comes off that. ) Then I felt better.....
ACKBill
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Rick:
Go with the dual axle.
I tow a lot, job trailers, dump trailers, equipment trailers, etc. It's not just a question of load capacity, it's also about safety, for yourself and for others. If you are appraoching the load limits of the trailer, you are also approaching the limit of the brakes, the tires, etc.
Do yourself and the rest of the people on the road a favor and get a trailer that will handle the load without any problems and that will give you a little extra room for whatever "additions" that might come along /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif.
BILL
Go with the dual axle.
I tow a lot, job trailers, dump trailers, equipment trailers, etc. It's not just a question of load capacity, it's also about safety, for yourself and for others. If you are appraoching the load limits of the trailer, you are also approaching the limit of the brakes, the tires, etc.
Do yourself and the rest of the people on the road a favor and get a trailer that will handle the load without any problems and that will give you a little extra room for whatever "additions" that might come along /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif.
BILL
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RickS
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After reading more and doing some calculations it seems the tandem is the way to go. Then I won't have to be concerned about overloading the trailer. Thanks for the help and advice. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Somewhere in the past, someone posted with the information that a 410 loader added 800 #.
For Orlo's information, the 4010, 4110, 2210 and 2305 are ALL around 1400 #. The main difference between the 2210/2305 and 4010/4100 is ground clearance and configuration of the oil cooler (in front of rad on 4010/4100) and hydraulic filter. Think the 4010/4100 maintain their low weight by losing the gearboxes as the ends of the rear axles that lower those on a 2210/2305.
Ralph
For Orlo's information, the 4010, 4110, 2210 and 2305 are ALL around 1400 #. The main difference between the 2210/2305 and 4010/4100 is ground clearance and configuration of the oil cooler (in front of rad on 4010/4100) and hydraulic filter. Think the 4010/4100 maintain their low weight by losing the gearboxes as the ends of the rear axles that lower those on a 2210/2305.
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RickS
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I've been figuring 1500 lbs for my 4010 due to fluid weight. I have loaded rear tires, so I add 300 on top of that. (Just another SWAG. Loaded tires may be more.) I'm at 3000 lbs with my tractor for sure.