How Fast is OK?

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yooperdave

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While driving my pickup on icy & snowy roads, how fast can you travel with the 4wd high gear for an extended time?

I have been keeping the speed at 55 mph, but am wondering if I will be causing potential damage to the transmission.

Thanks

Yooper Dave
 
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I've had some 4WD units in the past with a multi speed transfer case and I don't think speeds an issue. The problems arise when you are on a hard surface that doesn't allow any slippage. Then because the wheels turn at different speeds due to turns and such. Then the drive train can be stressed, particularly U Joints.
 
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Like Gary, no damage observed here in many miles of 4x4 at any reasonable speed on slushy snow over pavement, or running fast on gravel. However I have occasionally noticed the unique smell of the manual transmission getting warm, which is a clear sign the tires aren't slipping enough to allow stress to dissipate. I then shifted back to 2-high between slippery spots.

My feeling is that if it improves safety, it is worth the increased cost for fuel at the time and the probable increased driveline wear.

My old 4-speed V8 Wagoneer (sold at 138 k miles) and present 5 speed Isuzu Trooper (16 years, 130 k miles) both saw quite a bit of this without any apparent consequences. I would expect the U-joints to be the first thing to loosen up but they never did. No driveline problems or increased noise in either vehicle.

I think the recommendation for 55mph might be related to squirrely handling running at higher speed with the 'part-time' (no center differential) 4x4 engaged. The Wagoneer and Trooper handled predictably in a slight slide on a curve, but in between the Wagoneer and Trooper I had an AMC Eagle (4x4 station wagon) that was terrifying if any tire slid the slightest amount. At that point you could control the radius of the curve with the throttle but nothing you did would affect which way the nose was pointed. That vehicle should have had its own unique squirrely handling warning sticker.

I'm sure others' advice will be different....
 
   / How Fast is OK? #5  
As fast as you can safely stop or manuever. That may be 55, or could be 20mph. Typical state code is the speed limit, OR as fast as conditions allow up to the speed limit.

While you may go 55 pretty nicely on slush or hard pack, Ya aint gonna stop or emergency manuever very well.

4x4 hi-range works fine at higher speeds. But, you will stress things if you drive it on hard dry surfaces, especially while turning. You mention this about snow though, so this may not be an issue.
 
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Check your owners manual.

My Ford said 55 was top sustained speed for 4wd, I regularly ran well above that. Traded it in at 110K and never had a drive train problem. I also ran oversize BF Goodrich AT's.
 
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Mike:
I was thinking the exact same thing!!!!
If you need 4 wheel drive, then 55 is too fast. This past snow I would see these little SUV's and small cars running out on an ice covered road at 50 to 60 mph. Even with the AWD, I kept it around 30 mph and kept plenty of room between me and the next car. I also saw quite a few of those people in the medians and ditches along the road.
My wife was always concerned when to use 4 wheel drive and when not to when we had the Bronco II. I got her the V-8 AWD Explorer and solved that issue!!!! It's been up past 100 before (strictly an accident that it got that fast on Interstate in summer).
 
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Not too much doubt about that, unless you're playing on a parking lot. But I think he's concerned about wear damage to the drive train, not impact damage to the vehicle.
 
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Maybe this is just another way of saying what some others have observed. There would be be more wear 'n tear from several miles in 4wd on dry pavement than from several hundred miles on packed snow or ice. If you drive on solid, continuous snowpack in the UP for weeks at a time, you should be able to keep it in 4 wheel, but be sure to disengage when you hit a dry patch of any length! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 

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