How can you tell if the FEL is level?

   / How can you tell if the FEL is level? #1  

MarcusCarr

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I have found it very difficult to know if the bottom of the FEL is level with the ground. Has anyone built a guide or something on their FEL to help with this?

I was thinking some kind of a plumb bob, and painting a dot on the top of the bucket. When the plump points at the dot, I am level. Granted this would only work on level ground.

Also, if I float the bucket, will it go to level, or does it just float the height of the bucket?

Thanks,
Marcus
 
   / How can you tell if the FEL is level? #2  
A lot depends on who made the bucket. John Deere buckets have a section on the top of the bucket that is parallel with the bottom of the bucket -- so if the top looks level, the bottom is level. There is also an optional bucket level indicator which is a rod inside a tube. When the end of the rod is level with the top of the tube, the bucket is level. This is very handy when trying to make the bucket just a little past level. It is a simple device that it would seem could be duplicated for just about any set up.
 
   / How can you tell if the FEL is level? #4  
Seat time is the best indicator! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Egon /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / How can you tell if the FEL is level? #5  
Marcus,
There are bolt on bucket level indicators available.
Different tractors have different set ups for the float. I believe what you are refering to is a return to dig feature.
Egon is 100% right there is no replacement for seat time.

Ron
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Seat time is the best indicator!)</font>
True Egon, but I still rely on my bucket indicator to get it somewhat where I want it. Then I eyeball it from there. My Koyker came with one. I've been meaning to paint the tip of it with a couple of rings for better visability.
 
   / How can you tell if the FEL is level?
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My bucket is also a kokyer, maybe I can find a gauge designed for it.
 
   / How can you tell if the FEL is level? #8  
I agree with Egon. I had a bucket level indicator on my IH. It only indicated if the bucket was level with the tractor, not the ground. It wasn't like the tube type ones, though. Imagine this, as I don't have pictures of it....

Your loader arms extend away from the tractor to a point where they then turn down towards the bucket. There are usually two plates at that joint that they welded the two pieces of the arms together between. Bolted to the outside plate was a semi circle of steel about 6 inches across. The bolt was placed at the enter of the circle and it was lose so that the circle could spin on it. There was a 1/2 inch rim along the edge of the circle that faced the operator that had markings stamped into it that would indicate degrees. On the side of the circle that was away from the operator, there was a threaded rod that connected to the bucket. When the bucket was tilted, the rod would rotate the circle and you could tell exactly how many degrees off the bucket was from the plane of the tractor's tires by comparing the degree marks to the edge of the plate that the circle was mounted too. The threaded rod made it adjustable, so you could tweak it for different reasons, etc...

While this was a VERY cool level indicator, it only told how many degrees the bucket was off in relation to the tractor. I found this almost useless in uneven terrain and it was very frustrating. It was easier to just look out the front of the cab windows at the bucket and guess. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

HOWEVER ... a person(why didn't I think of this) could easily have mounted a steel pendulum with a pointer that would overlap the degree indicator on the same bolt that held the circle that I mentioned. It would always hang down, so that pointer would always be level with the ground. Then you could tilt the bucket so that the bucket level indicator matched the gravity indicator. As you moved forward, your front tires would end up in the excavated whole and your angle would change. The gravity indicator would always be level, so all you would have to do is keep a hand on the joystick and adjust as you slowly moved forward.

That takes care of level, but what about depth?

Mark a stick with 1 inch increments and mount it to your FEL arms so that it is perpendicular to level when the bucket is level. Then set up a cheap, rotating laser level near your excavation. It will flash on the stick, and possibly your eyeballs, so wear the funny glasses. Once you get a small part of your excavation to level and proper depth, mark the stick with black tape where the laser flashes on it. Then all you have to do is keep the laser flashing at the tape level while you also keep the bucket level and off you go.
 
   / How can you tell if the FEL is level? #9  
Another technique is to "feel" the ground with the bucket for level.

Curl the bucket back a bit. Lower it to the ground. Dump it until the front edge starts to push against the ground and up on the loader arms. The bucket front is now just slightly below level.

I also agree that the John Deere bucket top side edges being parallel with the bottom makes an excellent visual reference.
 
   / How can you tell if the FEL is level? #10  
With my Deere 430 FEL, I at first didn't use the level indicator (rod in a tube) as the mark I put on it didn't show well. After using the bucket, as Egon says, knowing when the bucket was close to level became easier and I had the 'feel' as well as had the level 'top' on the bucket.
However, when I added the quick-tach forks, this 'feeling' went away and I began to revert back to using the level indicator. To fashion a usable 'mark', I set the bucket to level and 'hacksawed' a circle around the rod, and filled it with white paint. That is much easier to 'see' and I use this indicator rod a lot when resetting the forks as well as when resetting the bucket now. The white ring lets me know when they are level, as well as how much 'tilt' up the bucket and forks have, and that is good information when using the bucket to move snow, the forks to pick up pallets, and when digging dirt or getting a bucket full of chips.
Very handy and would be easy to build.
 

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