HLVP Spraying - Help Me Put The Pieces Together?

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Looking for a little guidance here... I have a project for work that is requiring me to construct about 11 large floor (6' x 4' x 26.5"H) cabinets/stands for animal enclosures that will eventually be painted black and have all of the edges on the six sides trimmed out in rough cut 3" cedar trim. 7 of the 9 cabinets are framed, skinned and sanded (waiting on exact dimensions on the final 4)

In the past I've built 2 of the same design as spec'ed for this project. For those I rolled the black paint & sponged Watco Gloss Wipe-On Poly on the rough cut cedar to get the level of finish on the trim I desired. Those turned out really well, but hand applying sponging Watco on the rough cedar trim very time consumptive. Given the sq. footage of plywood I need to paint black, and more importantly the volume of rough cedar trim I need to finish I'm taking a go at learning how to spray finishes.... and of course because my department is the red-headed step-child of our municipality I'm having to do this on the relatively cheap...

Because of the reviews online and because of the price point I picked up the following gun to play with as a starting point for experimenting:
- Central Pneumatic 20oz HLVP Gravity Gun w/regulator (AKA - The Purple Gun @ Harbor Freight)
- Can't remember tip orifice at the moment (1.4????)
- 15-45 PSI
- Air Consumption: 12 CFM @ 45PSI
- I also have on hand 2:
- Rigid 6 gallon pancake compressors (3.5 SCFM @ 40PSI / 2.6 SCFM @ 90)
- 1 10 gallon air tank

The above is my starting point to play with what I might actually need with an understanding that I more than probably have less compressor than I really need. My question is what gallonage/HP/SCFM would I actually be looking for in a compressor to HLVP spray latex & poly finishes on non-commercial/casual basis for things like a 6'X4'X26.5H cabinet..... where price point for equipment is a HUGE consideration? (I'm emphasizing that because I along with others enjoy spending other peoples money on this forum ;) 👍)

Would something like a:

- McGraw 21gallon Oil-less, 175PSI, 4.0 SCFM @ 90PSI, 1.5 hp get me to where I need with taking breaks for the compressor to catch up?

A note here about usage: The volume of work I currently have to accomplish is a one-time thing and as a result of a whole facility renovation. While I anticipate building more cabinets in the future that would be as singular, spaced out projects... And while I do a fair bit of wrenching/wood working, aside from the need to getting into spraying my case usage for compressed air is very very low... I hardly ever use either of the 6 gallon compressors we have on hand. I don't expect to get into needing to use other air tools.

I also do understand that there are a number of other factors in play here that I will have to experiment with notably: acquiring a inline air-dryer, either thinning the material to be sprayed and/or modifying the tip size of the spray gun (or getting a better gun), as well a understanding spray pattern & using PPE. I'm just looking for some guidance as it specifically relates to spraying and understanding required compressor size/capacity.
 
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Cheap approach would be an airless. Years ago I had good luck with a Wagner airless. The birdcage safety things on the tips were removed because they collected fine mist till it dripped. Different tips were available and I shot oil and latex. Latex enlarged the hole in the tip after a few gallons, but it still worked.

I now have a couple of the cheap purple HVLP guns and run them off a DeWalt D55154 4cfm compressor. Painted my trailer last year and didn't need to take breaks.
 
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I had several HVLP sprayers over the years, but all I use now is airless. The issue with HVLP is thinning the material to get it to spray well, but not thinning it to much so it doesn't run. I only sprayed oil finish paints with HVLP. It's just too much work to clean it to use it on anything else.

Also remember that the compressor will be spitting out massive amounts of water through the air hose, so you need a really good water trap on your air line.

For what you are doing, I would use a roller and brush. Spraying always sounds faster and easier, but it rarely is.

I use oil on cedar. Just about any of the top brands are good. My personal favorite is Super Deck Oil at Sherwin Williams. I use a stiff brush to apply it. Most of the time, I'm using the same brush for days, or even weeks, so I wrap it air tight, in a plastic bag when not using it.

Right now, I'm on my second week of doing this for a client who has 24 year old Wester Red Cedar all around her house that hasn't been touched in 24 years. It's amazing how the Oil brings it back to life!!!!
 
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Looking for a little guidance here... I have a project for work that is requiring me to construct about 11 large floor (6' x 4' x 26.5"H) cabinets/stands for animal enclosures that will eventually be painted black and have all of the edges on the six sides trimmed out in rough cut 3" cedar trim. 7 of the 9 cabinets are framed, skinned and sanded (waiting on exact dimensions on the final 4)

In the past I've built 2 of the same design as spec'ed for this project. For those I rolled the black paint & sponged Watco Gloss Wipe-On Poly on the rough cut cedar to get the level of finish on the trim I desired. Those turned out really well, but hand applying sponging Watco on the rough cedar trim very time consumptive. Given the sq. footage of plywood I need to paint black, and more importantly the volume of rough cedar trim I need to finish I'm taking a go at learning how to spray finishes.... and of course because my department is the red-headed step-child of our municipality I'm having to do this on the relatively cheap...

Because of the reviews online and because of the price point I picked up the following gun to play with as a starting point for experimenting:
- Central Pneumatic 20oz HLVP Gravity Gun w/regulator (AKA - The Purple Gun @ Harbor Freight)
- Can't remember tip orifice at the moment (1.4????)
- 15-45 PSI
- Air Consumption: 12 CFM @ 45PSI
- I also have on hand 2:
- Rigid 6 gallon pancake compressors (3.5 SCFM @ 40PSI / 2.6 SCFM @ 90)
- 1 10 gallon air tank

The above is my starting point to play with what I might actually need with an understanding that I more than probably have less compressor than I really need. My question is what gallonage/HP/SCFM would I actually be looking for in a compressor to HLVP spray latex & poly finishes on non-commercial/casual basis for things like a 6'X4'X26.5H cabinet..... where price point for equipment is a HUGE consideration? (I'm emphasizing that because I along with others enjoy spending other peoples money on this forum ;) 👍)

Would something like a:

- McGraw 21gallon Oil-less, 175PSI, 4.0 SCFM @ 90PSI, 1.5 hp get me to where I need with taking breaks for the compressor to catch up?

A note here about usage: The volume of work I currently have to accomplish is a one-time thing and as a result of a whole facility renovation. While I anticipate building more cabinets in the future that would be as singular, spaced out projects... And while I do a fair bit of wrenching/wood working, aside from the need to getting into spraying my case usage for compressed air is very very low... I hardly ever use either of the 6 gallon compressors we have on hand. I don't expect to get into needing to use other air tools.

I also do understand that there are a number of other factors in play here that I will have to experiment with notably: acquiring a inline air-dryer, either thinning the material to be sprayed and/or modifying the tip size of the spray gun (or getting a better gun), as well a understanding spray pattern & using PPE. I'm just looking for some guidance as it specifically relates to spraying and understanding required compressor size/capacity.
I have that same HF purple HLVP gun that I bought last year to paint all of our outdoor steel patio furniture with Rustoleum. It worked really well with my 20 gallon upright compressor. It’s not an oil less compressor and I ran it at about 60-80 psi. Of course you can adjust the air pressure on the paint gun. The HVLP gun is easy to use.
 
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I have that same HF purple HLVP gun that I bought last year to paint all of our outdoor steel patio furniture with Rustoleum. It worked really well with my 20 gallon upright compressor. It’s not an oil less compressor and I ran it at about 60-80 psi. Of course you can adjust the air pressure on the paint gun. The HVLP gun is easy to use.
When I did the trailer I used a cheapie HF inline filter/dryer. My small DeWalt compressor developed a leak in the pressure switch, so when I replumbed the thing I added a little regulator for some outlets and an outlet before the regulator for full pressure. Not a big deal, but kinda handy.
 
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I've been using the purple HF gun for some time now. It works well enough. The key is #1) run the gun at 20-25 psi and #2) be sure the viscosity is in the 30 to 40 second range with a Ford #4 cup.

However, with the rough cedar I'd use a roller or a brush. I don't think spraying it will get you the finish you want.
 

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