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I just bought a 1010 Hinomoto tractor and it doesn't start worth a darn. The glow plugs look new and I can't figure out how to test them with either of my multi meters even after watching several you tube videos about how to test them. I don't have the same multi meter they do so I don't know where to set the indicator to test the glow plugs. One guy said they could be tested while in the engine but he didn't say what to set the dial on. And when it does start, it really smokes bad. The glow plug indicator light doesn't stay on for more than a few seconds so I think the glow plug relay may be bad, but I read somewhere that if a glow plug is bad, this can cause the light to not stay on as long as it should. If it is the relay, where the heck does a person get one for this tractor? I looked on the internet and never did find one either on ebay or amazon. And should the exhaust smoke even after the thing has warmed up smell pretty nasty? It doesn't smoke a lot but what smoke there is sure is foul smelling. I have a diesel pickup and car and neither one of them smell bad like this thing does. Any help out there?
 
   / hinomoto #2  
Is this the same model as the Massey Ferguson 1010?

If yes, parts sourcing might be a BIG problem.
 
   / hinomoto #3  
A glow plug is essentially a heating element.
Easy to test with an ohm meter.
Disconnect the wires leading to each plug, take a resistance (ohm) reading between the plug and the ground (engine).
If no reading then plug is open.
Each good plug will read low ohms (like maybe 5 to 15 or 20 ohms) indicating a good plug.
Clean and re install the leads.
(Use the lowest range on your ohm meter.)

Then to eliminate other circuitry in order to start the tractor you could simply jumper the plugs lead to the battery positive for about 15 seconds or so and the tractor should start. Since the plugs draw considerable current be prepared to see a spark when you jumper.
If it fails to start you repeat the process with maybe a few more seconds.

If that gets her going PM me and I'll suggest some workarounds to replacing the controller.
 
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#4  
Yes, from what I understand, it is the same tractor. I guess I should have been more diligent in my research as far as checking to see if parts are readily available for this thing before I bought it. Would have been the smart thing to do.
 
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Thank you for the reply. On you tube, one guy said the glow plugs could be checked without removing them by setting the meter to volts, I set mine to 20, and check to see if they register the same as the voltage which the battery is reading. I did that and all three tested the exact voltage as the battery. I took one out and hooked a hot wire to the top of the glow plug then grounded the part of the plug with the threads to the chassis of the tractor to see if the plug got hot that way too and it did, right away. I was thinking about hooking a toggle switch with a wire from the battery and then to the glow plugs so I could just turn the toggle switch on for the 10 to 15 seconds as you suggested instead of having to hold a wire from the battery onto one of the glow plugs (they have jumpers from one to the other). I wonder how heavy duty of a toggle switch I'd need to carry the amperage which the glow plugs draw. Do you know what amperage they draw? If I can't find a relay or controller as you call it, then this may be a solution until (if ever) I can get a relay/controller. Do you think that'd work?
 
   / hinomoto #6  
Amperage is fairly high (note wire gauge used to the plugs) so you'd need a relay. A horn relay should do the trick or an ATV starter relay. When U wire a relay use same gauge wire as they used.
A voltage reading as you did it was basically giving U battery voltage but also suggests a possible timer fault.
The battery direct to removed glow plug for sure confirms it as OK.

Direct voltage to the glow plug (s) buss bar will activate them for sure but careful as to timing, keep it short , like 10 seconds max, try 5 first. You can always repeat but just don't exceed 10 or you could be shopping for plugs.

Good luck.
 
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#7  
Any way to find out how much amperage those glow plugs might draw?
 
   / hinomoto #8  
A DC clamp on ammeter would be needed to measure that.
Wire gauge they use is an indicator also the fact that they are not fused.
As a crude guess might place them at maybe 10 amps per plug. Then some are fast glow and others slow glow with the faster the higher the draw.
Either way a typical quality toggle switch which is usually rated at max 10 amps DC will weld the contacts and that's why I suggest a relay.
A starter relay for sure will do the job and then a small gauge wire (18g) back to a spring loaded switch in the dash to activate.
I'd also want that spring loaded switch to have some sort of mechanical protection to prevent accidental activation.
 
   / hinomoto #9  
There is likely already a relay for the glow plugs and if you can locate it, all you need to do is add a push button to the signal wires for it
 
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#10  
Thank you for the reply. I can see where the wire from the glow plugs goes and it does look like a relay. There are 6 wires coming out of it but I don't know where the other 5 go. If I was to add a push button type toggle, how do I know which wire to hook it to? I'm guessing if only one wire would be energized when I turn the key on (which would only be on for about 3 seconds at a time as that's how long the glow plug light stays on) then that's the wire I'd put the push button toggle switch on? And would that toggle switch need protection such as a fuse or do you think that would be necessary? One other question. I was about to order a glow plug relay for my VW Jetta diesel but read somewhere that often times a bad glow plug will hamper the timing of the relay. Is this relay kind of like a timer for the length of time the glow plugs stay on and if so, how does it know how long of a time the glow plugs need to stay on. In colder temperatures, the plugs would need to stay on longer, I would think. So if that's true, then does the relay have something in it to sense the ambient temperature? I've always wondered about this. I also have a diesel pickup and have wondered the same thing about it, even though my Dodge Cummins uses a heat grid instead of glow plugs. In my estimation, a better idea. Wish I could figure out a way to rig a system like that for my VW and tractor. I suppose it's possible but I haven't found any kind of after market heat grid that I could adapt to those applications.
 

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