Hinomoto E182

RJB · Jan 16, 2003

I had a problem with a E182 today that I thought I would get some feedback on. I had left the tractor parked on a hill with a low fuel level. When I tried to start it, it would not fire. The temperature was 30F. Thinking it had gotten air in the fuel system I pushed it in the shop and proceded to bleed the system for an hour. It still would not start. I was getting lots of white smoke. This was done using glow plugs at 70f shop temperature. Finally after giving up for 10 minutes or so I used starting fluid and it started right up. Do you think it could have been over loaded with fuel? The tractor started fine after I shut it down. Thanks for any thoughts anyone might have.
Rick

Tractors4u · Jan 16, 2003

First take that can of starting fluid, show it to your tractor and promise your tractor you will never squirt any more of that vile substance into it's intake ever again. Starter fluid is not good for a small diesel like yours. I don't think it would have gotten over loaded with fuel. I believe it would have started anyway. Has it been getting slower to start lately? Pull one of the glow plugs and inspect it. Is it swollen on the tip? Connect the plug to a 12v source for a couple of seconds, does it start to warm up?

EFC · Jan 17, 2003

Brent, don’t tell people to throw their ether out..... How am I going to sell them a new engine with that kind of advice /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

Bird · Jan 17, 2003

<font color=blue>used starting fluid and it started</font color=blue>

/w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gifReminds me of the last time I visited my Kubota dealer in Waco. He had a small, but very pretty, Yanmar on the lot; first one I'd ever seen there. He said it wouldn't start one day, so the owner used starting fluid. The Kubota dealer took it in trade; didn't say what they allowed for it, but I'll bet it wasn't much 'cause they had to replace a busted piston and a few other parts - rebuilt the engine in other words./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

normde2001 · Jan 17, 2003

"proceded to bleed the system for an hour"
What was happening when you were bleeding the system for a hour? Were you still getting air, no fuel flow, strong flow at injectors when cranking? Sounds like you still were not getting fuel to the injectors properly.

pruntyc · Jan 17, 2003

I think the answer to the problem lies in your words you left it with a low fuel level. So you probably had a air lock somewhere in the lines, that cut off the fuel somewhere, and it finally worked out.

RJB · Jan 17, 2003

I was getting fuel at one injector and fuel with bubbles at the other one. I know that starting fluid is bad for small diesels, but I had give up on other methods. When it warms up I will check it more( haven't started it since I shut it down). Proir to this I would get black smoke and it would start right up. Thanks for the input. Rick

Tractors4u · Jan 17, 2003

Did you top it off with fuel before you started bleeding it? I am glad to hear that you bleed it at the injectors. I have used the bleed screw on the Hino's before but it isn't a fast a bleeding at the injector. I would have someone crank it while you man the wrench and when you see no more bubbles tighten it down.

RJB · Jan 18, 2003

I guess it just takes a long time to get all the air out. Thought I was going to burn the starter up. I started at the filter and did it by the book. Still waiting for warmer weather. 8 degrees here this morning. Not much into working on a tractor today(just talk about it).
Rick

pruntyc · Jan 18, 2003

8 degrees here to, and I live in MS, I guess, I live in North MS, so maybe that is why it got so cold. But one thing about it, at least here, it won't last long, like it does in a lot of places.

Tractors4u · Jan 18, 2003

12 degrees was the overnight low here in North Alabama. This morning my FX26D didn't want to start. I pull one engine cover and set a small ceramic heater blowing on to the intake manifold and let it heat for about an hour and she finally started. My Ford Powerstoke was kind of ornry this morning too.

RJB · Jan 20, 2003

Well it warmed up today so I checked the E182 out a little closer. I have repaired gasoline powered equipment for 30 years , but I am just getting my feet wet on diesels. I discovered you can't check a glow plug with an ohm meter.
I pulled the glow plugs and found that both were bad. Thanks for all the input.
Rick

gbirky · Jan 21, 2003

It was 2 below 0 at my place in western MD Saturday morning. As with most of you - I didn't do any tractoring even though one was in the garage which was right around freezing.

Forcasters are calling for more of the really cold weather this week with lows in the single digits and highs only in the teens. We'll probably be below 0 a couple of nights at our place.

kayssupply · Jan 21, 2003

Would you give us some more details on not being able to check glow plugs with an ohm meter? This is something I have very little experience with and thought you could. FYI I have an NGK crossover catalog that has " some" that are the same as " some " Hinomotos.

RJB · Jan 21, 2003

I had check a couple of glow plugs that failed to show a continous circuit and proved to be bad. I figured that would mean a continous circuit would mean good (wrong). These showed a continous circuit and wouldn't heat. The Massey # for these glow plugs is 72097517 ( between $35 & $45 ). An NGK # would be great!

Thanks Rick

kayssupply · Jan 22, 2003

The later Hinomoto 1804 I had used a Y112TS NGK plug. The number was actually on the plug when I took it out. That number has a reference number 1232. I used a Y110 ref. 6825 and it fit that tractor. The 6825 lists for $9.92 and the 1232 / $16.16 from NGK . Go to glowplugs.com if you want to try one of these.

RJB · Jan 22, 2003

The E182 is a older 2cyl model and I'm not sure if they are the same as your 3cyl. I might have to try and locate one in somebody's stock and compare it.
Thanks Rick

RJB · Jan 31, 2003

I just wanted to update everyone on the E182. I put the new glow plugs in yesterday and it started right up. Thanks for all the replies and help.
Rick