Herd Seeder "Don't Do It"

   / Herd Seeder "Don't Do It" #1  

Thomabear

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Well after a few days of research and hearing all the great things about Herd seeders I decided to spend some of my hard earned dollars to purchase one. (Shipped by Beaver Valley Supply) That was a bad mistake. Apparently, when Kasco purchased Herd all quality and control went out the window along with the implementation of several cost cutting measures. Believe me folks, you will not get the quality you are paying for and Kasco is riding the Herd name.

The first thing I noticed when unpacking the box was that there was no packing. This thing was thrown in the box with no support allowing it to travel freely causing the linkage to pierce the box and get all bent to ****. This was not to mention the main frame that was shipped full of stickers without a box period. Yes, It was simply shipped box free to get damaged at will.

The second thing I noticed when pulling the seeder out of the box was a pile of paint flakes at the bottom. There was literally brown paint (not pretty and red like in the website sales pitch picture) scattered about inside the box. Also, there were stickers that had started falling off with the paint still attached leaving bare metal behind. I peeled them the rest of the way and so came the paint. No primer of any kind was used on this implement. Even the paint job itself was poor with drips everywhere. At this point my blood was getting warm.

Once I laid everything out I was in disbelief that I could pay $760 shipped for this pile of garbage. Then when I rolled the frame over I noticed that the welds still had the slag attached and was simply painted over. When I chipped away at the slag there was already some serious rust developing beneath. At this point I'm thinking they sold me a poor quality refirb.

Once I proceeded to look inside the hopper I find more flaking paint and a severely bent gate. Now there is no way this could have been done in shipping because the gate was at the bottom of the hopper. Although very mechanically inclined I'm having trouble with determining the proper angles and positions of all the bent up linkage. By now my blood is boiling because one of the reasons this was purchased was to spread ammonium nitrate which will eat this up in short order.

Totally fuming and in complete disgust I decided I better drink a couple of cold beers to calm down before making the call. When I got around to calling and unleashed all of this discontent the first thing I was told is that this is industrial equipment and no primer was needed. I was then told that I shouldn't have peeled the stickers off because naturally the paint would come off with it. Finally I'm told that I can ship this back on my nickle for a complete refund. At this point I decided to just get off the phone and drink more beer. I guess I'll start refirbing this NEW seeder on my nickle and time. :mad:

As the title says... If your thinking about purchasing a Herd Seeder "Don't Do It" You will regret it I promise.
 
   / Herd Seeder "Don't Do It" #2  
Take some pictures of it and demand a refund or a new one to replace the one you received. They need to cover ALL the shipping! Don't do anything with the damaged one you received. They'll try to blame you for it. Be firm and except nothing other than a new one or a full refund!!!
 
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Take some pictures of it and demand a refund or a new one to replace the one you received. They need to cover ALL the shipping! Don't do anything with the damaged one you received. They'll try to blame you for it. Be firm and except nothing other than a new one or a full refund!!!

They're claiming all units have the same workmanship and finish and return shipping will be on my dime. There isn't much I could do at this point other than share my experience with others. Rather than pay return shipping which was right at $100 coming my way I'll just refirb this one and chalk it up as experience with Herd and their retailer. Since they already told me they were all the same I don't want to take a chance on spending another $100 and receiving another sub-par unit. I'll just straighten the bent items, blast and demet coat all the carbon steel parts and re-assemble with a good topcoat. The way it should have been done in the 1st place. Then at least I'll have it protected better than factory with the shipping $$ in my pocket. For the price they charge it's sad..:thumbdown:
 
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Thomabear,
Where you live Demetcoat or powdercoat would be a good choice imo. I have found it amazing just how fast things can rust up there. It has been thirty years since I have used Demetcoat but remember it being a rougher finish than powdercoat finishes I use now. While both are very good I think I would choose the one that is available with a smooth and glossy finish. A heavy powdercoat finish in high gloss may be the better choice as the plastic would be more chemical resistant and easier to clean.

It is a shame you have to go through this with a new product but it should be better than most when you are done.
 
   / Herd Seeder "Don't Do It" #5  
They're claiming all units have the same workmanship and finish and return shipping will be on my dime.

Don't you just love someone that's proud of bad work? I spent years in metal fabrication, have an eye for what's good and what ain't and some stuff you see on the market should be against the law. Popcorn welds, warpage, misalignment, wallowed out holes due to incorrect location, no primer, moving parts that have interferences, you name it, it's out there.

I'm not a fan of Chinese stuff but I hate to say there is a lot of American made that's just as crappy. The big three auto manufacturers ran their business into the dirt with bad quality but hopefully they have seen the light although I have a 2010 Ford Explorer V6 that gets ten and a half miles to the gallon, has had the AC evaporator replaced and the entire front bumper/shroud pops loose on the passenger side and I have yet to find a way to make the cheap clips grab the mating parts. The upholstery in this fine unit was designed by a team of engineers for maximum cling ability relative to dog hair. A 5hp shop vac won't pull it out of their idea for velcro upholstery.

I'd send that crap back on my nickel and post as many bad reviews as humanly possible.
 
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You know, now that you mentioned it jenkinsph I think powdercoating would be a great idea. I have an old oven in the shop that I was holding on to so I could learn to powdercoat someday. This would be a great opportunity to learn how it's done. I agree if all goes well I should wind up with a better than factory finish. Just hope the process isn't too difficult. Thanks for the heads up!

Recoveryhill I agree 100%! But rather than loose $100 bucks I'll try to make this work. This will be a 1st for me because I would have normally shipped this thing back in a hurry. I've already straightened the bent items and this thing is actually working pretty good. Like jenkinsph said Once I get the paint issue addressed I should wind up with a better product overall. For now I just need to get some rye grass seed on the ground.

And I can guarantee Herd isn't off the hook. They will get a bad review at every opportunity until they can agree on some type of resolve.
 
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   / Herd Seeder "Don't Do It" #7  
You know, now that you mentioned it jenkinsph I think powdercoating would be a great idea. I have an old oven in the shop that I was holding on to so I could learn to powdercoat someday. This would be a great opportunity to learn how it's done. I agree if all goes well I should wind up with a better than factory finish. Just hope the process isn't too difficult. Thanks for the heads up!

Recoveryhill I agree 100%! But rather than loose $100 bucks I'll try to make this work. This will be a 1st for me because I would have normally shipped this thing back in a hurry. I've already straightened the bent items and this thing is actually working pretty good. Like jenkinsph said Once I get the paint issue addressed I should wind up with a better product overall. For now I just need to get some rye grass seed on the ground.

And I can guarantee Herd isn't off the hook. They will get a bad review at every opportunity until they can agree on some type of resolve.

Hope your oven is big enough, that would be my first question. I built the truck body pictured below (tan truck)in late 1998 when Ford came out with the new 4x4 550 trucks. I design built the rear custom body and painted it with good quality automotive stuff. By 2003 I was tired of fighting the frame and had it powdercoated, barely fit in the oven they had but that was 10 years ago and no problems with rust and flaking paint since then. When I built the smaller bed for the 350 (red truck) I sent it to powdercoat before it had a chance to rust.

I spent many days spraying coatings on tugs and barges as a young man, don't miss it one bit.
 

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Nice work Jenkinsph! I had no idea you could powdercoat something as big as a truck bed.

On another note I would like to say three parties are responsible for my misfortune with the seeder.

1. Herd seeders - Supplied an inferior product with no primer and paint. Painted directly over weld slag.
2. 4Startools - (Where unit was purchased) They would not take unit back unless I paid shipping (about $100)
3. Beaver Valley Supply - Shipped a weathered, corroding and peeling product.
 
   / Herd Seeder "Don't Do It" #9  
Thomabear
The truck bed frame is about 20' oal x 7 1/2' wide x 6 1/2' tall, barely fit in the oven but that included the tailgate too with the hydraulics removed. I have a large wrought iron fence project at the powdercoaters right now so something the size of a spin spreader should be a piece of cake.
 
   / Herd Seeder "Don't Do It" #10  
If you paid with a credit card you might want to run it by them. Sounds like they are counting on customers not wanting to pay to ship it back to them. Can you use it as-is? Was there a disclaimer that the customer may have to rebuild it himself in order to use it? I'd consider it defective.
 
 

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