Help with installing 120+ 6x6 posts

   / Help with installing 120+ 6x6 posts #1  

Code54

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I am looking for thoughts on how best to install about 120 or more 6x6 posts approx. 3 -3.5' deep for a guard rail system in clay and somewhat rocky soil (most posts should be in packed fill dirt however). I have access to a PTO post hole digger and was thinking of drilling them with a 12" auger, dropping them in and then adding dry cement followed by water to set them. Anyone ever use a skidsteer with an auger, is it a lot faster? Post driver maybe? Any thoughts would be helpful!
 
   / Help with installing 120+ 6x6 posts #2  
I would suggest using a post driver if you have access to one. I just finished today driving about 140 5" to 8" diameter fence posts into clay without rocks. The advantage to the post driver if it will work for most of your post is that once they are in you are done. You do not have to pack any dirt or concrete around the post.
The skid steer has the ability to give down pressure to the auger that you do not get with most 3 point hitch augers.
It is a lot of work no mater what way you do it.
 
   / Help with installing 120+ 6x6 posts #3  
Only thought I would add is that you probably won't need to add water to the holes. Just set the posts in dry cement. I did that for some gate posts recently, and it worked great. That will save you the hassle of getting water out to the holes.
 
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Ditto on the pounder. I used an PHD until my neighbor bought a pounder and I saw how fast and easy it is. I borrow it now for all my posts and it's great. It sure helps to have a top'n tilt unless the pounder has hydraulic adjustment itself. It's a pain leveling the thing up manually and we live on a corn field.
 
   / Help with installing 120+ 6x6 posts #5  
Past experience with concrete around wood posts is a no-no. Most will rot off at the top of the concrete.

I had good luck driving 6" round post with a driver in hard clay soil, and some smaller rocks. I did this in late fall, through winter when the soil was somewhat moist. And found it was best NOT to sharpen the posts. They drove a lot straighter..!!
 
   / Help with installing 120+ 6x6 posts #6  
There is no question that a post-driver will be less work than a post-hole-digger followed by backfilling. If you have access to a post-driver, by all means use it. All you do is drive in the post and then... well, that's it. Walk away. If you have three guys, one can drive the tractor, one can drive a truck with a bunch of posts in the bed, and one can walk along setting the posts. Bam bam bam. Get a rod that you cut to length so you know when the posts are driven in to the appropriate depth, or make a mark on the driver, or something like that.

The only question is how big of a driver you might need, based on how tough your ground is. For that, you would have to ask somebody else, or go direct to a manufacturer. But there is no question that someone makes a driver that can do pretty much whatever you need. I have seen a demo where the biggest driver a company made put an unsharpened railroad tie into the ground.

One small disadvantage of the driver is that if you put the post in crooked, you're kind of screwed. With auger-and-backfill, you have some ability to tweak the post during the backfilling to make sure it's level. But all things considered, if I had a lot of posts to do, I would prefer the driver for its speed and efficiency.

PS: In the interest of full disclosure, I have never personally used a driver, but I have used an auger, and I have seen demos of what those drivers can do, and it is simply awesome.
 
   / Help with installing 120+ 6x6 posts #7  
Any good sized PH with 'reverse' will do good.
 
   / Help with installing 120+ 6x6 posts #8  
I have never used a post driver, but I can tell you that a hydraulic auger which should have both down pressure and the ability to reverse direction is vastly superior to the common PTO powered post hole digger.
 
   / Help with installing 120+ 6x6 posts #9  
If you go the PHD route, I suggest you get a skidsteer with a hydraulically powered PHD that you can reverse the auger if it gets stuck in the clay, or on a ledge of hard pan, or a rock. You haven't lived until you get an auger stuck in clay up to the gearbox, and no easy way to reverse it out of the hole.

I've seen videos of the pounders/drivers; but haven't used one.
 
   / Help with installing 120+ 6x6 posts #10  
Hello,
About a year ago, my neighbor and I put in gate poles to hang a bull gate across my lane. We didn't use wood, we used an I-beam for the hinged side of the gate and a round metal pole for it to close against. However, we did use an auger hooked up to my skid steer that we rented from a local hardware store. We used an 18" auger for the I-beam hole and a 12" auger for the pole hole. I sure couldn't have gotten those holes in there by any other means. I live on a mountain and there are lots of rocks.....so when you hit a rock the auger scoots over some and now the hole is getting bigger. If you were digging in nice sandy , rock free soil, it would work out very nicely !!!!!

MFWD
 

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