Hay cutting, raking and baling with Yanmar ....

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OK, anyone done this yet?

If so, what type of hay?

Bushog or what type of cutting method?

What type of rake used?

Round or square baler?

The reason I am asking, many people use the compact tractors for the other stuff like post hole digging, grading and some plowing. I have a need for doing hay as well. Other than the questions above, what other haying stories can you add about your Yanmar ....

Much thanks as I have been studying this out. :thumbsup:
 
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OK, anyone done this yet?

If so, what type of hay?

Bushog or what type of cutting method?

What type of rake used?

Round or square baler?

The reason I am asking, many people use the compact tractors for the other stuff like post hole digging, grading and some plowing. I have a need for doing hay as well. Other than the questions above, what other haying stories can you add about your Yanmar ....

Much thanks as I have been studying this out. :thumbsup:

You can run a 6-ft sickle bar mower and a wheel rake with your Yanmar.

Running a normal size baler like my Massey Ferguson 124 (two-twine, small squares) can be a real problem although it has been done with small tractors like my Farmall Super A that has only abut 17 hp on the pto.

My neighbor tried to bale using his Ford 8N (about the size of your Yanmar) and an IH wire tie baler (two wire, small squares). He got the baler spinning OK, but he neglected to put an overrunning clutch (ORC) into the pto driveline and damaged the internal pto drive shaft when trying to stop the baler. There's a lot of rotational energy in the baler flywheel and you need the ORC to disconnect this load from the pto drive when stopping the baler. All modern tractors have the ORC built into the tractor's transmission. Don't know for sure if this is the case with your Yanmar. Check your operator or service manual to find out.

One way around this problem is to find a baler that has it's own on board engine to spin the baler so your tractor only has to tow the baler around your hayfield. My neighbor has one of these balers that he uses on his 8-acre hayfield with his Kubota 4520 tractor (which is has twice the hp of your Yanmar).

Your Yanmar probably weighs less that the baler (my MF124 weighs about 3000 lb). This can be a problem towing the baler when the hayfield is sloped or otherwise non-flat.

People have mowed hayfields with brush hogs. Usually the left skirt is removable to provide a side exit for the cuttings. The problem with this method is the possibility of chopping the mowed hay so much that it becomes difficult to produce tight, straight bales. That said people have successfully mowed hayfields with brush hogs.

Good luck
 
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You can run a 6-ft sickle bar mower and a wheel rake with your Yanmar.

Running a normal size baler like my Massey Ferguson 124 (two-twine, small squares) can be a real problem although it has been done with small tractors like my Farmall Super A that has only abut 17 hp on the pto.

My neighbor tried to bale using his Ford 8N (about the size of your Yanmar) and an IH wire tie baler (two wire, small squares). He got the baler spinning OK, but he neglected to put an overrunning clutch (ORC) into the pto driveline and damaged the internal pto drive shaft when trying to stop the baler. There's a lot of rotational energy in the baler flywheel and you need the ORC to disconnect this load from the pto drive when stopping the baler. All modern tractors have the ORC built into the tractor's transmission. Don't know for sure if this is the case with your Yanmar. Check your operator or service manual to find out.

One way around this problem is to find a baler that has it's own on board engine to spin the baler so your tractor only has to tow the baler around your hayfield. My neighbor has one of these balers that he uses on his 8-acre hayfield with his Kubota 4520 tractor (which is has twice the hp of your Yanmar).

Your Yanmar probably weighs less that the baler (my MF124 weighs about 3000 lb). This can be a problem towing the baler when the hayfield is sloped or otherwise non-flat.

People have mowed hayfields with brush hogs. Usually the left skirt is removable to provide a side exit for the cuttings. The problem with this method is the possibility of chopping the mowed hay so much that it becomes difficult to produce tight, straight bales. That said people have successfully mowed hayfields with brush hogs.

Good luck

Good info from first hand experience.

The YM2610 has 30Hp for the engine and 26Hp at the PTO. The tractor has the overrunning clutch (ORC) since I did ask Fredricks about being able to bale hay with a square baler.

Even on their website it states ...
"During the rebuild, we also install a full safety package that includes a ROPS, seat belt, PTO shield and overrun clutch, and more. This is part of our commitment to provide a safe, reliable tractor that will give you quality service for years to come." - Fredricks Importing
Hoye has them too.... Yanmar over running clutches

The YM2610 like most of the Yanmars has the multi-speed PTO. Thus, selection 1 is 542rpm and selection 2 is 685rpm. The other two are fast yet to run British, French, German or Italian older implements if needed.

I was told that the IH balers are trouble and require stronger Hp tractors. The MF or the NH balers would work fine. I've even seen a 1952 Ford 8N with a NH Super 66 sq baler doing the job well. An Allis Chalmers baler would work, but it's getting harder to find parts or knowing a local machine shop to fab things can get pricey. I was told to ignore JD balers since most are imports and have issues. JD has good tractors, but implements are another story.

The YM2610 weighs about 2,800lbs without rear wheel liquid ballast or the front 300lbs below the grill weights. So, it's possible to tow the baler around rather than the baler being a tail wagging the dog. :D

Yes, the neighbor used his front loader Kubota to bushhog the field, then came back with a 4-wheels wheel rake that did a nice job. Then he used his New Holland square baler. My Yanmar is the same compact size of his Kubota diesel.

Thanks again for your write up and experiences. It gives me something to draw upon.
 
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Does fredericks replace the internal pto with the american one with the ORC or do they slap the PTO shaft ORC onto the thing?
 
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Does fredericks replace the internal pto with the american one with the ORC or do they slap the PTO shaft ORC onto the thing?

The ydo the latter of placing on the PTO shaft the ORC. The reason being, the import tractors have multi-speed PTOs. There are four speeds. from 540 and upwards to 1024ish. Got to love running a bush hog at 684ish in the PTO selector #2. Gives a better bite on the brush to cut. ;)
 
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The ydo the latter of placing on the PTO shaft the ORC. The reason being, the import tractors have multi-speed PTOs. There are four speeds. from 540 and upwards to 1024ish. Got to love running a bush hog at 684ish in the PTO selector #2. Gives a better bite on the brush to cut. ;)

Can also be danerous. Warning on many not to exceed 540 rpms.
 
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Can also be danerous. Warning on many not to exceed 540 rpms.

Yes, I understand that there are issues with exceeding the 540rpm limit.

Recently, I hooked up an auger. It ran badly at the 540rpm selection with the engine reved to 2200rpm for the PTO 540rpm speed. So, I lowered the engine RPMs and used the #2 684rpm selection. Reminder, the engine speed was less than 1800rpm, so the 684 was never reached. The auger ran very smooth and the tractor was not longer bouncing wildly in the 540rpm and higher revs of the engine.
 
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Many don't use post hole diggers at 540 pto rpm. Not really necessary.
 
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