Grubbing Stumps, how much root?

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LSmith

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Getting land ready to build a shop. brought down 5 large oaks (15-24") and am in the process of grubbing the stumps with my Kubota & BH. My question is this: I will be pouring a floor in the finished pole building. I know I need to get the stumps out, but how much root should go too?
I don't want to leave any big roots but how small should I be concerned with?
 
   / Grubbing Stumps, how much root? #2  
It is a good question. The problem is the roots will likely rot away, leaving a void. How big a void under the floor to be concerned about is anyone's guess (IMO).

But the concrete slab will bridge over some of those voids.
Making a reasonable effort to minimize the roots seems prudent.

Getting a good base over the worked up ground may be the most important...be it sand or gravel packed. Much better than clay, at least here in the north where freezing/thawing creates problems with clay base.
 
   / Grubbing Stumps, how much root? #3  
Getting land ready to build a shop. brought down 5 large oaks (15-24") and am in the process of grubbing the stumps with my Kubota & BH. My question is this: I will be pouring a floor in the finished pole building. I know I need to get the stumps out, but how much root should go too?
I don't want to leave any big roots but how small should I be concerned with?

You should never pour concrete on top soil or even subsoil that contains a lot of organics. The correct method would be to excavate the organic laden soil & bring in clean fill that can be uniformly compacted to spec.

That being said, pull the stump & the huge roots. Forget about the smaller stuff.
Make sure you use wire & rebar as appropriate & tell your cement supplier to add some reinforcement fiber to the mix. You'll be fine.

As an aside, I worked for a builder on Long Island who dug footers in the fall & poured his slabs in the winter & framed in the warm months. He poured right on the frozen ground which was heaved up at least a foot. Guess what????? In the summer the ground went down & many areas under the slab had a foot of hollow space!
Hard to believe, I know but that's what happened. Oftentimes, the copper pipes for the baseboard heating that were set in the ground during the pour would fall into the hollow space & we'd have to chop a hole in the middle of a room, crawl UNDER the slab, find the pipe, & push it back up through the slab for the plumbers.
Of course none of this is "right" but as far as I know none of these floors has ever caved in.
The moral of the story here is, a couple of roots probably will not be an issue but please, don't pour on frozen earth.
 
   / Grubbing Stumps, how much root? #4  
Hey, LSmith, you're right down the road from me! I think TU1900 gave great advice. Don't want too many voids under the slab. Also make sure the concrete will be above grade! If it is lower than the ground you will have water problems at some time. Dealing with that this week; fortunately for me, as you know, we are mighty dry now in Jackson area. Let us know how the job goes.
 

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