Grapple Bucket on 3720

[Michael_Porter]

"Does anyone know what kind of and the thickness of the steel they use?

What do you think of the limb clipper from wolff manufacturing?"

Don't know about the Long 2N1 bucket steel. But another post in this thread says it is heavier duty than the JDs.

The Wolff limb clipper looks interesting. I've e-mailed them for pricing.
http://hnwolffmfg.tripod.com/id7.html

 

[gates]

Farming
What type of machine are you using the 4 in 1 on. A bucket with that kind of weight is a lot for a smaller machine. It will eat up the lifting capacity.

Ron

 

[jeepinator]

The JD 61" HD bucket weighs 246 lb (reference).
That makes the 4N1 about ~120 lbs heavier. It could also be worded that the 4N1 reduces the lift capacity of a 300CX about 7.5% (over a 61" HD bucket).
Unless I screwed up the math /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

EDIT: Ya, it would appear I screwed up the math /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I read the weight number from the grapple a few posts back and not the 4N1 bucket. So the difference is actually more like 200 lbs more and ~13% reduction in lifting power. That's starting to get significant.

This thread has really made me think about a 4N1 bucket. For me I'd also have to get the lines run down the loader and whatever else I need. 3rd SCV, I guess.

 

[Michael_Porter]

Another feature of the Long 4N1 is the larger size of the jaw opening compared to other 4 in 1 buckets.

http://www.wrlonginc.com/UJ2.htm

http://www.wrlonginc.com/Photo%20Gallery.htm

 

[Michael_Porter]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Michael,

My opinion, if you can get only one, it's the 4:1. It would have a lot more general use advantages than would a grapple. Yes, you could do the task you mentioned withthe 4:1. The word on the street is the JD 4:1 is not as heavily made as is the WR Long. The Long bucket is fully compatable and is really nice. I would take a look at it.

John M )</font>

I ordered a WR Long 4N1 bucket this morning -- thanks to John's and others' suggestions. This forum is very, very useful.

Thanks guys!

 

[farming]

Ron, that bucket is used on the 110 which leaves 1809lbs more lift capacity... I have had it filled to overflowing with rocks and the tractor didn't blink.

Michael, that Limb Clipper looks like the answer to what I need and already have the hay spear to attach it to. Should be a lot cheaper than the full blown tree shear version. Let us know what it runs.

 

[Michael_Porter]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Michael, that Limb Clipper looks like the answer to what I need and already have the hay spear to attach it to. Should be a lot cheaper than the full blown tree shear version. Let us know what it runs. )</font>

They say if you have a hay spear already, it's $995.

 

[ddivinia]

What did you guys do for the 3rd SCV? I have a 4720 and I am thinking of getting a 4N1 bucket. Doesn't John Deere sell one?

Thanks,
D.

 

[Michael_Porter]

I already had ordered a 3rd SCV from John Deere with my 3720 so I will be using that with my 4N1 bucket. The WR Long folks also sell a valve kit:

http://www.wrlonginc.com/valve_kits.htm

 

[jcmseven]

D.

Yes, John Deere sells a 4:1 bucket for our tractor size. I have mentioned earlier in this post that I think WR Long makes a great 4:1 bucket. My neighbor had one on his 4410 and now has another on his 4320. All things equal, I think WR Long buckets are a little heavier duty than JD buckets. That said, I just bought a JD 4:1. The reason? My local dealer has almost exclusively sold Long 4:1's and wanted to get in and check out a John Deere one. Thus, I got a great deal on a new 72" 4:1 from John Deere. Since I do not use my tractor hours on end as my neighbor does, the extra heavy duty does not matter as much to me (although I still would have gotten the WR Long if price was closer for me). Once it comes in I will try to give the group a more direct comparison of the FEATURE differences between the two. The more I see them, the more I think any tractor would benefit from such loaders. See, I am really not going against the advice I mentioned to Michael, just broadening my horizons.

John M

 

[Michael_Porter]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( D.

Yes, John Deere sells a 4:1 bucket for our tractor size. I have mentioned earlier in this post that I think WR Long makes a great 4:1 bucket. My neighbor had one on his 4410 and now has another on his 4320. All things equal, I think WR Long buckets are a little heavier duty than JD buckets. That said, I just bought a JD 4:1. The reason? My local dealer has almost exclusively sold Long 4:1's and wanted to get in and check out a John Deere one. Thus, I got a great deal on a new 72" 4:1 from John Deere. Since I do not use my tractor hours on end as my neighbor does, the extra heavy duty does not matter as much to me (although I still would have gotten the WR Long if price was closer for me). Once it comes in I will try to give the group a more direct comparison of the FEATURE differences between the two. The more I see them, the more I think any tractor would benefit from such loaders. See, I am really not going against the advice I mentioned to Michael, just broadening my horizons.

John M )</font>

John,

Since I'm getting the Long 4N1 bucket and you the John Deere, we can both report our experiences.

One of the main reasons I got the 4N1 Long bucket was that it opened wider than the 4:1 Deere. I will be interested to see if that makes any difference in real world use. I thought it might be able to pick up a larger diameter branch or munch up a wider bite of compost or dirt on the ground. But, having never used a 4N1 bucket before, I am just guessing. There's nothing like trying something out in real life to find out.

I'm looking forward to your reports.

 

[BloomingtonMike]

John, If you decide to get rid of the tractor at a later date I will take your 4N1 off you (now that I can get to your house /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif ). if you need to unload it. Those look awesome.

 

[JHTFarmer]

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The Root Rake Brush Grapple, the RBG2 for compact tractors, is $1795. Weighs 365 lbs.
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I am surprised to see that this is the reccommended grapple for the 300cx. The website suggests this rake for loaders with a 1300 lb max lift. Doesn't this loader have a maximum lift far more than that /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[SnoFalls]

I think the weight of the grapple itself is why ... subtract it's added weight and ...

 

[Michael_Porter]

The 300cx loader's lift capacity is only 1598 lbs. The next size bigger grapple, the RGB-60, weighs 567 lbs. It's a trade off.

On the small 300cx, I'd rather have the greater net lifting power that the RGB2-60, which only weighs 365 lbs., would give.

My guess is that the RBG2 is plenty stong enough for the 300cx loader's lifting range. Moving up to the heavier duty grapple may only result in less net lifting capacity.

 

[nvlong4n1]

I've enjoied reading about our 4n1 buckets and grapples on this post. I work for W.R.Long. You are welcome to contact me with any questions. We make all our products per order, so that is one reason our delivery is normally 2 to 3 weeks. I'm always interested in improving our website so any comments are welcome.

Thanks,

Nelson nlong@wrlonginc.com

 

[Michael_Porter]

Nelson,

I found your website very helpful. I especially liked the gallery section where I was able to look at multiple, high-resolution photos of your products from all angles.

Also, when I called to ask questions, you were very helpful. The result, I've got a a 4n1 bucket on order with you now.