Grand L6060 Cab...

[Matt in Virginia]

Gentlemen,
What do you think of the following pricing?

Kubota Grand L6060 Cab HST $40,900
Third Function Plumbing on tractor is another $800
1055 Loader with manual quick attach $6800 w/HD bucket
Air Ride Seat has yet to be priced and is a dealer install.
NO Stereo, however, they will install whatever I buy for free.

Essentially $48,500 with top Hydraulic cylinder and plumbing as well as third function ready on bucket...

Seems high. Dunno though.

Your input is appreciated...

Regards, Matt.

Btw, noticed a new M5140 Cab and loader on the lot. I did not really take to the partial hydraulic shuttle and standard transmission. I did like the heavier FEL, Chassis, and FEL breakout force. Can buy it for 42K. Just don't like the transmission nor do I like going to a 51 HP power plant. 50 HP at the PTO is minimum on a few of my applications. A 6040 or 7040 in the same configuration would be a tougher decision.

 

[WaxMan]

What do you have for a tractor now?

 

[94BULLITT]

I heard in another thread the L60 is 5k more so build a L5740 and see what it is. Then take 12-18% and add 5k and that should be a rough idea.

 

[HappyOne]

I think were all ready to see more L60's being sold so we can get a solid feel for pricing. Hopefully Kubota will update their online pricing gizmo with L60's as an option soon.

 

[Matt in Virginia]

A further deeper commentary and question.

Gentlemen,

Btw, noticed a new M5140 Cab and loader on the lot. I did not really take to the partial hydraulic shuttle and standard transmission. I did like the heavier FEL, Chassis, and FEL breakout force. Can buy it for 42K. Just don't like the transmission nor do I like going to a 51 HP power plant. 50 HP at the PTO is minimum on a few of my applications. A 6040 or 7040 in the same configuration would be a tougher decision.

Gentlemen,
Had a further comment that I was hesitant to post. I know there are a lot of kubota fans on these forums.

In short the Kubota M5140 came across as weak. Specifically a lack of torque starting the tractor out at 2nd gear speeds on a paved road in front of the dealership. I was amazed I had to downshift to 1st to avoid significant RPMs. I was strongly encouraged to drive the tractor and get a "feel" for it. The dealer really pushed this tractor hard over the L6060. Heavier Chassis, FEL with more reach, wider stance, and reliability of a "gear" transmission

I've been driving AG Tractors since I was 7 or 8. Started with International 1456, 1066, and 1586 tractors on simple tasks such as pulling hay carts etc.. I moved to a 26 foot disk behind a John Deere 4840 when I was 12 or 13. Got the Brillion Cultipacker added late in the 13th year. In short I've not been a stranger to John Deere Ag Tractors from my 73' 4020 Diesel Gear Tractor to an 8 speed Powershift 4840, and 15 speed Powershift 4850.

It occurred to me that I have been used to alot more torque per stated HP than what the M5140 offers. The 4020, for example, has a 404/6.0 Liter(?) cubic inch engine(if memory serves) to produce 92 HP. The M5140 has a 1.8 Liter engine to produce 51 HP at the flywheel. Granted one tractor is ALOT less iron. In short this is new territory for me. I can't say that the 20 minutes I spent in the tractor was reassuring.

I realize the M5140 has the smallest engine of the M series, however, I can't get past the lack of torque. Further I found the gear shift to "feel" rather junky even when compared to an old, but mechanically right, JD 4020 Syncro range.

I am not here with a nit to pick as I had decided to go orange last year based on the reputation of Kubota's small tractor. Specifically the Grand Ls.

To be honest I held the paperwork up as I really did not get a warm and fuzzy with this machine. It lead me to consider the 9960 Cab tractor beside it. I am going to hold off on that test drive. Looking at one of JD Youtube videos, purely by chance of searching for specs on the 9960, the Deere Rep mentions the 4.4 or 4.5 liter Deere engine as compared to the 3.8 Liter engine on the 9960. He noted the "no replacement for displacement" argument. Everything in my driveway is Diesel. Needless to say the 03' 7.3 Liter PSD Excursion versus the 05' 6.0 Liter PSD in my F350 did not help. Granted the 6.0 PSD has issues beyond displacement. That said it does come to mind.

In short I thought I would be remiss in not making mention of this concern. I am going to rely on high RPMs to make enough power for these tractors to function normally? Do they have a decent torque reserve in the field. I'm used to everything making "working HP" at 2100 or less with yard movement capable at half that figure. Do I need to relearn what is necessary RPMs?

Regards, Matt.

 

[Matt in Virginia]

Clutch then rear end "Shudder"?

Gentlemen,
I also noted a rear end "shudder" when coming to a stop and readying the machine(M5140) to turn. Specifically the tractor was in gear, Shuttle Forward, engine at less than half throttle, and clutch depressed prior to applying brakes. The rear end of the tractor, rather violently, "shudders" and I jammed on the brakes in response. My next move beyond clutch would be to slowly apply braking force. Am I doing something wrong with the "Shuttle Shift", Clutch, etc?

Regards, Matt.

 

[Matt in Virginia]

Possible new contender

Gentlemen,
This discussion has me looking at this new option. Only missing is a third function for a WR Long open bottom grapple bucket... Space is not an issue. My barn has the head room... And less than 10K more than the L6060.

http://www.tractorhouse.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=7645181

 

[case245]

wow to think im considering going from a 7040sud to a 5140 is the engine that weak in that tractor my 7040 is not weak in the engine dept at all its a gear tractor and its got a 203 cu in engine

 

[TripleR]

The M9960 and JOHN DEERE 6105D are sure a long way from where you started and I am not sure I understand the progression, but that often happens tractor shopping. We have an M8540 that is very comfortable and the PTO RPM is 2250 which doesn't seem too fast and I have operated Case and Massey Ferguson tractors and others that used lower RPM, doesn't bother me. I have driven cars and motorcycles that turn a lot more R's than others to get the horsepower and I just see the "There is no replacement for displacement" as a sales pitch or philosophy I don't buy into; seen too many people go from selling one to the other and picking up different opinions and my brothers have worked on and owned all types.

I like the M Series Kubotas, but I also like the John Deeres as well and would be as happy with a John Deere in my barn as Kubota.

 

[Matt in Virginia]

TripleR,
Many are able to narrowly define their exact needs when it comes to a tractor. This has not been the case with me. I wish I had 10 acres to take care of and could plan the purchase to the exact width of the box scraper and 100 pounds on lift strength of the FEL. Unfortunately I own many properties that have very specific needs. Some are one of two times every five years and some are every couple of months. An example. My need for reach and height on the FEL has changed as I have pine needles and Ivy growing on the roof of my Grandparents Home. In order to get to it I need more height and over reach. Another FEL requirement is my barn. It's sheethed in No. 1 Cypress that has to be bleached and treated. That treatment may entail painting with a brush OR spraying something on to get me through the year. In short the peak is at 23 feet and a higher lift FEL , with a larger bucket, would be God send...

I WANTED to achieve many of these things with the L6060 as I saw it as cheaper and a less ponderous solution. It would also take up FAR less room in the front of my barn. Only half of which is available for large equipment storage.

A couple photos of my barn. It is 26'x48'x12' with a goodly loft. Not a cheap choice made. Even the windows are Andersons with the grill between the glass... Partial view of the 600 plus tons of aggregate in the yard and for the driveway...




We'll have to disagree on the displacement issue. I think gentlemen can still do that...;-)

Finding the perfect tractor has been a difficult path. What I would like to get away with, doesn't seem to meet current demand, not to mention my tendency to go heavier, more powerful, and more expensive than is needed to meet an unknown need. My Grandfather, who left me the farms(not to mention options in life) always said to buy more Tractor than you need as you could always pull a lighter implement or meet a less demanding task. A tractor that wouldn't do the job, or was being overtasked, could not do the same.

Regards, Matt.