Got pricing on Kubota L4400HST and L3540HST

[woodchuckcanuck]

I was looking at either one. But I've read so much about the small B series, I'm wondering if I am getting too much tractor. I'm not in a rush to get things done, but I don't want to be disappointed with having to upgrade at some point down the road. I'm assuming a bigger tractor might retain its resale value better. But, a smaller tractor will get me in tighter places. A cab is important, yet it wasn't considered in the quotes below. I never gave much consideration to cabs until I sat in a MF 1635 later that day.
Then there's the issue of hauling it around in a dump trailer. I've been looking at the Hawke trailers. My truck won't accept 5th wheel so I'm limited to 10,000 lb towing capacity. I still have decisions to make on what I want the tractor to do

But... I'm wondering if TBN'ers could chime in on an opinion if either is a good buy or not.

L4400
1 - L4400 HST-1 w/ ALR 8869C 10-16.5 Ind, ALR 8829C 17.5 L 24 Ind (I think that's tractor talk for tires)
1 - LA703A Loader with L2264 72" bucket
1 - BH 90A - L44H Backhoe
1 - BH4979 Subframe mounting kit
1 - BT2902 16" bucket
1 - L8303 Double Acting Valve
1 - L8561 1st Lever & Base Kit
1 - L2674 74" rear snowblower
1 - B2784A Hyd Chute Rotator

Price $39650.00 (Canadian). And something about a $250 admin fee. (??)
Discount for Cash $1,200.
Final Price 38,450.00

..ohhh and don't forget the 13% sales tax which brings it to $43,448.50.

L3540HST - this one is priced up as a 'lease to own'
1 - L3540HST 4wd with ALR 8855 420/70 Ind Tires and ALR 8869C 10-16.5 Ind Tires
1 - LA724 FEL
1 - L2226 Skid Steer Coupler
1 - L2236 72" material bucket
1 - 71.5" bolt on tooth bar
1 - BH76 Kubota Backhoe
1 - BH4996 mounting Kit
1 - B7681 Seat Kit
1 - BT1952A Bucket
1 - L2221 Third Function

Price $38,250.00 (Canadian) plus $250 admin fee. Tax is paid out with each lease payment.
Terms offered:
0% for 36 mo with $3,900 down.
1.9% for 48 mo with $4,407 down.
2.9% for 60 mo with $4,407 down

Implements being considered. Prices do not include taxes.
1 - Light Duty Root Rake w/ Grapple and 90" hose kit w/ couplers $$2,115.00
1 - Landpride Rear Blade RB596 96" $1,099.00
1 - Heavy Duty Pallet Forks w guard 48" Economy tines 3700 lb cap. $890.00
1 - Wallenstein FX65 winch comes with 3 LW9101 90" choker chains $3,400.00
1 - L2674 rear mount snowblower 74", B2784A Hyd Chute Rotator, L8308 Double Acting Remote, L8335 First Lever Base Kit $ 3,490.00

 

[woodchuckcanuck]

My bad....I should have posted this in the Kubota forum. Mod Admin feel free to move it.

 

[IslandTractor]

You might look at Kioti as well. My DK40se has similar or higher specs and with a Woods BH90x total was about 28K as I recall. That was a couple of years ago but there are some incentives now that would probably get you the same final price. Tractor has been great. Loader is unbeatable and the Woods BH is sweet.

Edit: I missed that you were in Canada. Pricing is so much higher there I am not sure how to compare.

 

[woodchuckcanuck]

I did get pricing on the DK40SE HST from two different dealers. One price was $39500 the other was $42,200 and that was when the deals were on back in July. Prices included FEL and BH only. IN US dollars that's $37525 and $40,090 respectively using a 5% exchange rate.

 

[art]

You might look at Kioti as well. My DK40se has similar or higher specs and with a Woods BH90x total was about 28K as I recall. That was a couple of years ago but there are some incentives now that would probably get you the same final price. Tractor has been great. Loader is unbeatable and the Woods BH is sweet.

Edit: I missed that you were in Canada. Pricing is so much higher there I am not sure how to compare.

It's great that you follow all the Kubota threads listed! Do you get spiffs from Kioti?

 

[woodchuckcanuck]

... Do you get spiffs from Kioti?

Not sure if that was directed to me. Not sure what you mean by spiffs either.

 

[IslandTractor]

It's great that you follow all the Kubota threads listed! Do you get spiffs from Kioti?

Art, that is rich coming from a Kubota dealer. You don't have any financial interest involved do you? And, no, I don't get any "spiffs". I am just a satisfied tractor owner who saved in total about ten thousand bucks by purchasing two more capable tractors from Kioti than what Kubota had to offer. CK20 over the B7510 and then the DK40se over the L3930. I gave each Kubota a hard look and liked them but did not see any advantage. Competition is a good thing.

By the way, I cruise the Kubota forum once or twice a month. I recall seeing you and another Kubota dealer cruising and commenting on other forums too. Since when have you regarded this site as your exclusive business tool?

 

[woodchuckcanuck]

Same situation here as IslandTractor. Looked hard at Kubota but I'm getting a Bobcat quote that is many G's less. And that's just straight forward quotes with no negotiating.

 

[IslandTractor]

I did get pricing on the DK40SE HST from two different dealers. One price was $39500 the other was $42,200 and that was when the deals were on back in July. Prices included FEL and BH only. IN US dollars that's $37525 and $40,090 respectively using a 5% exchange rate.

Those Canadian prices are scary even though the DK40se is more highly featured than the L4400 and more powerful than the L3540. Actually some Kioti dealers in the US try to charge list price too (especially the smaller mom and pop stores). Kioti doesn't compare so favorably when considering list price Kioti vs discounted Kubota. I'd go for Kubota in that case.

 

[mowpower]

Not to steal the thread, I have been looking at Kubota for years after comparing NH and JD thought I was all settlled on the grand L3420. But I have looked at the Bobcat ( Kioti in white paint) prices are $3000 -5000 less for what I am comparing. Thoughts on bobcat? Seems most of the posts I have found people are happy with the cat lot's have gone with the CT230 or 235 model, I was looking more 235 or 335 maybe even 440 but that may be more than I need.
Thanks hope you find what you need.
Jeff

 

[woodchuckcanuck]

Not stealing at all. If you look at my signature below I'm currently leaning towards the Bobcat CT335 as well. The difference in price is significant. I might just take the plunge next week.

 

[IslandTractor]

At the risk of hurting Art's feelings, I can vouch for the new DK series from Kioti (I think the Bobcat equivalents are the 335 and the 440/445 series). The DK series is a more modern tractor than the CK series with electric PTO operation and ability to engage 4wd assist on the fly. I have a DK40se HST which has been excellent over the past two years and 180hrs.

Although otherwise identical to their Kioti twins, the Bobcat versions have a different loader which I know very little about. The Kioti KL401 loader on the 40 and 45hp models is best in class in terms of lift/breakout capacity. The KL351 loader on the DK35 is relatively mediocre in terms of capacity (rated more like a Kubota loader for that HP class) but works well from what I have learned on TBN. I think Bobcat contracts with one of the bigger US firms for loaders (?Rhino) and therefore they should be quality products too.

 

[DieselnHooters]

Not aware what u goona use the tractor for but from your avatar I will surmise you wiil be logging some ........then why a L 4400 HST, u can get a MX 5100 for about the same $...the front end and FEL bigger and sturdier. M 5040 much better if u can swing it money wise.

Look at JD economy utility serie too...nothing wrong with Kioti especially in some particular areas. But stick with Kubota if u can.

 

[art]

Art, that is rich coming from a Kubota dealer. You don't have any financial interest involved do you? And, no, I don't get any "spiffs". I am just a satisfied tractor owner who saved in total about ten thousand bucks by purchasing two more capable tractors from Kioti than what Kubota had to offer. CK20 over the B7510 and then the DK40se over the L3930. I gave each Kubota a hard look and liked them but did not see any advantage. Competition is a good thing.

By the way, I cruise the Kubota forum once or twice a month. I recall seeing you and another Kubota dealer cruising and commenting on other forums too. Since when have you regarded this site as your exclusive business tool?

So you are saying you have an involvement with a dealer?
For me it's more a learning experience, more about the other brands and to help those that might be having problems in finding good information.
Some of our best customers are those that chose to save money the first time!

 

[IslandTractor]

So you are saying you have an involvement with a dealer?

WTF? What exactly are you referring to in my post? I don't have any relationship with any dealer except as a customer.