Ford closing Cleveland engine plant

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I heard on the news this afternoon that Ford is closing the long operated Cleveland engine plant, as well as a nearby casting plant, by the year 2009. 2000 jobs lost. My father worked there in the early 60's, an uncle worked there at one time as well.
 
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Bummer. I guess we can buy more Asian products, since it seems to be so good for the American economy.
 
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mlauk said:
Bummer. I guess we can buy more Asian products, since it seems to be so good for the American economy.
Losing good paying manufacturing jobs is never a good thing. Greg
 
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if they are closing the Cleveland plant, are they reopening a new one in the USA to replace it?
 
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KICK said:
if they are closing the Cleveland plant, are they reopening a new one in the USA to replace it?

Probably not. Ford is closing plants at a record pace to cut their operations back to stave off bankruptcy for a few more years until it [hopefully] gets things turned around.

I just read about the IH/Ford lawsuits and Ford is rumored to be building their own diesel engine by 2010 and it will be built in Mehico.

Sell the good ol USA down the river. Pretty soon all our kids will know how to do is play video games and listen to rap music, cause they ain't learning no trades.
 
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I may be mistaken, but don't they also build engines in Romeo now, in the old tractor plant?
 
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The US automakers need to build a more competitive product. Period.

They build good trucks, some cars, but the reliability is killing them. Now that Toyota is building bigger trucks, racing NASCAR, it's only a matter of time before they perfect that. We need to build some kick *** products and lead the world again in innovation and quality.
 
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Further research indicates Cleveland Engine Plant #1 is being idled for 12 months for retooling, with production of the 3.5 L V6 being transferred to Ford's Lima, OH, engine plant. Cleveland Engine Plant #2 will continue to operate, producing the 3.0L V. Cleveland Castings will be closed. Romeo, Michigan will continue to produce V8's.
 
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keving said:
The US automakers need to build a more competitive product. Period.
They had that opportunity and turned it down, as did many American manufacturers. Read a bit on American born and educated Edward Deming and his attempt to educate and train America during the Industrial Revolution. He was forced to go to Japan to sell his theory, methodology, and technique in order to profess his career. The Japanese capitalized on it immensley. Never allow it to be said with truthfulness that America did not have this ample opportunity of reliability. Instead they choose our current labor force.

W. Edwards Deming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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The Japanese have a strong commitment to engineering, not only for continual product improvement but also for manufacturing process improvement. They also appear to learn from their mistakes. The result of this is that their products just get stronger and stronger. It's easy to see that they are the result of strong designs coupled with a well engineered manufacturing processes. There's a refreshing humility in their approach of continual improvement.

American management normally places engineering much farther down the priority list. In competitive markets, the commitment is minimal and grudging; just enough to stay in the race. Engineers are distrusted and often viewed as simply implementors of management's idea of the day. If the idea was bad or unworkable, the engineer is the scapegoat; especially if he voiced misgivings at the outset. Instead of learning from mistakes, my experience has been that it is a continual battle to keep management from repeating mistakes they've made before. The really bad ideas never seem to die.

Instead of engineering, emphasis is placed on management/marketing gimmicks, empty razzle-dazzle and schemes to end-run the system....hence the offshore movement of manufacturing. In contrast to the Japanese, the American approach seems characterized primarily by a hollow pride.

I admit the union environment most U.S. based manufacturers find themselves in is a tough nut to crack. Still, the knee-jerk response is not to face the problem and fight it through, but to cave in to union demands and to undermine production managers who try to discipline the troublemakers and slackers. Productive, conscientious union people (and they are the majority) hate this state of affairs as much as the production managers. They know that, in the end, it'll cost them their jobs.

But what do I know? My experience with Japanese products is limited to my Kubotas.

I think I've ranted enough.
Bob
 

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