ford 641 hydraulic and motor issue

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GoatRodeo

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Ford 8n, Ford 641
I'm new to owning, but experienced at operatorating. I have a ford 641 with some hydraulic issues. Not looking to get too involved yet, just looking for some starting points or how anyone with similar problems resolved them. If the tractor is cold, the 3pt works great(with grader blade attached), lifts all the way and stays up. As the tractor warms it gets some creep, but also will not lift the 3pt all the way. Sometimes halfway, sometimes a quarter of the way and on occasions all the way, but creeps back down fast. This tractor also has a front grader blade on it. This will always lift fully, yet creeps down as well. The oil is full, yet has a little water in it, getting a little milky. I just inherented the tractor and changing fluids and a shop manual are top of the list when finances allow it. Second, there is a miss to the motor and the plug nearest the radiator looks to foul after the little I have ran it. (new plugs and wires just before I received it) I'm thinking valve job? It's darn near impossible to start if its below 40 degrees outside. 6v system. I plan to do a compression test when after I track down a gauge, how much is good and how close is good enough? I feel pretty confident working on anything mechanical. (industrial machine repairmen by trade) Thanks for any input in advance.
 
   / ford 641 hydraulic and motor issue #2  
A hydralic fluid change would be tops on my list because if it works cold who knows what kind of fluid is in it.....
My 6 volt Ford 600 always starts if the battery is fully charged and the cables are good. Tune kits are real cheap as are plugs before it gets real cold.
Keeping good gas and indoors helps to

Does yours have a sherman transmission? My 600 was a trencher with a front blade like your avatar
 
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No sherman trans on mine. My great grandfather bought it new, primarily used around his farm. My avitar pic is it. -Nick
 
   / ford 641 hydraulic and motor issue #4  
I'm new to owning, but experienced at operatorating. I have a ford 641 with some hydraulic issues. Not looking to get too involved yet, just looking for some starting points or how anyone with similar problems resolved them. If the tractor is cold, the 3pt works great(with grader blade attached), lifts all the way and stays up. As the tractor warms it gets some creep, but also will not lift the 3pt all the way. Sometimes halfway, sometimes a quarter of the way and on occasions all the way, but creeps back down fast. This tractor also has a front grader blade on it. This will always lift fully, yet creeps down as well. The oil is full, yet has a little water in it, getting a little milky. I just inherented the tractor and changing fluids and a shop manual are top of the list when finances allow it. Second, there is a miss to the motor and the plug nearest the radiator looks to foul after the little I have ran it. (new plugs and wires just before I received it) I'm thinking valve job? It's darn near impossible to start if its below 40 degrees outside. 6v system. I plan to do a compression test when after I track down a gauge, how much is good and how close is good enough? I feel pretty confident working on anything mechanical. (industrial machine repairmen by trade) Thanks for any input in advance.

The three point hitch problem sounds like a leak, possibly in the lift cylinder. You most likely have some water in the transhyraulic oil (common sump?) due top a lack of use. If the fluid is the color of "coffee with cream" then you should replace it ASAP as well as any filter.

What does the fouling on the plug look like? If it is a dry sooty fluffy fouling, it's from a rich mixture,. Since it's only occuring on one plug, you may have an air leak around the carb metering section (throttle shaft, intake manifold connect flange, rusted or cracked exhaust manifold, leaking manifold gasket)causing the other cylinders to run lean.

If it's an oily wet fouling, that'scause by a loss of oil control in the rings or a worn valve guide. Do you have much smoke when it's running? If so, does it only smoke at low rpms and then clear up at high rpms under load ? If so, it's the valve guides. If it smokes under load only, then it's due to lack of oil control in the rings. Sometimes you can clear that up by working the snot out of it with a plow or disk. Some folks add MMO or ATF to the bad cylinder and let it sit for a few days to "unstick" the rings or clean the couing out of them.

As far as hard starting, check the spark. It should be FAT AND BLUISH-WHITE, the color of lightning. Any spindly blue, reddish or yellowish spark is not good. If you have poor spark, check the points for corrrosion, oil and pitting. Make sure they are set correctly.Once you have a good spark, then check the initial timing and make sure it's correct.

Make sure any fuel line filters are clear and the sediment bowl is not clogged . If you have a carb with a plug inthe bottom of the fuel bowl, make sure the tank valve is on, remove the plug and hold a container under it . the fuel should CONTINUOUSLY gush out like a cow peein' on a flat rock. If it dribbles or is intermittent find out why. A plugged fuel vent in the gas cap, lugged fuel filter in the sediment bowl oand/or in the fuel inlet line to the carb,a kinked fuel line, crap and corruption around the tank strainer, etc Could be the float is "hung" so rap the crb with a block of wood and see if that helps. if none of these help improve fuel flow then maybe there is crud in the fuel bowl of the carb not allowing the floats to drop. The carb has to come off for that.
 
   / ford 641 hydraulic and motor issue #5  
i'd dump in a couple pints of 90% rubbing alcohol into the hyd sump.. run it around 20 minutes lifting 3pt occasionally then drain warm.

refill with some utf. if funds are low.. get the 20-25$ / 5g stuff at tractor supply.

get that water out. if it freezes and breaks something you are out alot.

as for the fouling plug.. jerry gave you good onfo on dry / wet.

for now, a 2$ anti fouler add on will get that jug fireing and not fouling as much.. just clean the plug and regap, re-use.

likely int he future you will be dropping another 15$ into a hyd gasket and oring kit.

clean up all electrical connections from bat to ignition switch to coil.. etc. clean and regap points. it should start easilly at least down to freezing temps without much coaixing if the battery is good and not 5ys old with wimpy 4 ga automotive cables and bad loose / cruddy / dirty terminal ends.

good ground to the frame is reccomended as well.

1/0 bat cables are good on 6v.. not the 4ga '12v' cables yer compact car uses..

soundguy
 
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Thanks for the great advice guys. I just finished up the valve job a 8n that was my great grandpa's on my dads side. (641 great grandpa on mom's side) She is purring like a kitten now, my dad said he's never heard it run that good. I'm looking forward to working on the 641. Thanks again for the input.

Here is a pic of the 8n, just finished it this evening.

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   / ford 641 hydraulic and motor issue #7  
you will like the ohv engine
 
   / ford 641 hydraulic and motor issue #8  
Once you get the 641 running better you will see a great difference between it and the 8n there is just no comparison what so ever. I would think that the reason the tractor is running poorley is because the front cylander is teh #! cylander on those engines, and that could also be part of the reason you are having trouble starting it you did say the front plug was fouling right. All the other advice you got seemed pretty good, the only thing I could add is to go to tractor supply and get an IT shop manual. These manuals have really good detail for these tractors and they are real easy to follow as long as you have some common sense, beleive me I have done all of my fords and they are great. Got the Jubilee split in too right now needs a short block but I will probably wait for after the holidays.
 

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