ford 1900 new dual clutch smoking

mellowrose · Nov 17, 2012

ok, my first post and i already want to know something. i joined this forum because most everybody here seems know what they are talking about. bought this tractor and everything seemed to work ok. so we went to work. shredded weeds and small trees( about an inch wide ) with good results. moved a bunch of brush piles no problem. put maybe 50 or 60 hours on it, all the time watching the gauges and listening for weird noises. got the tractor for a reasonably price i thought. started noticing the pto would not engage without grinding and then would not engage without turning the tractor off. after a while the clutch started slipping. we are now seeing a trend that cannot be ignored. so we decide to change the clutch, how hard can that be, right?? after getting manuals togeather and studing all related post here and a few weeks of maybe i should have someone who knows what they are doing fix it, we get all related parts from ford and some others that might as well be changed out while i am at it, the work starts. all goes well until time to put the motor with new clutch back into the clutch housing. would go part way, then most of the way and no further. did not have an alighnment tool, so i took the clutch housing back off and used the drive shaft to align stuff and tried again. eventually it went togeather by wiggling, turning the flywheel, wiggling, turning the flywheel until that last little bit when it goes into the pilot bearing. wow, what a good feeling. all the moving and turning was done without forcing it, so when everything finally lined up it slid into place. put everything else togeather without much problem. so now its time to start it up. after bleeding fuel lines, runs as before. now comes the problem. with the clutch in, smoke comes out of the inspection hole for the clutch. it only smokes when clutch in pushed in and held for a few seconds. let the clutch out and it stops smoking. also with the clutch in the motor bogs down some. the clutch is turning and not making any noise. now i only did this a few times and then stopped. the last time i did check the pto and it went in without grinding( motor running ). did not check any gears as i did not want to push my luck. thats it, seems to me that if it finally went togeather kind of by itself, it should be right. kind of afraid to go any further and hope you'all say, well its just kind of getting rid of any cleaners or dirt or something i did not get clean enough. will take it back apart if i have to, but not sure what i could have done wrong. any ideas would sure be welcome, as i think i am not sure what to do now. i do apologize for writing a small book here and look forward to hearing from some of you. thanks

tthopskin@yahoo.ca · Nov 17, 2012

the only thing that could have happened is the clutch went in backwards , on a new clutch it will or should say flywheel side if you got this in ok and it seams to run and move your good .. did it have a single or double clutch . did you change the throw out baring it to can go in backwards or it is sized up thats the only other thing it could be ,if the throw out baring it would smoke with a squeal ...but if you had any thing and its running ok drive it ,,,,,,,best of luck to you ..i just split a 65 MF2 in 2 days pain in the but once but twice lol but its fixed now .seal on the shaft from the tranny to the clutch .at the tranny went

mellowrose · Nov 17, 2012

its a dual clutch, did change the throw out bearing and did notice it could be put in backwards so i put it on the same way the old one came off. also changed the shaft seal on trans., pilot bearing, and the first big bearing on trans. side. when i put the pressure plate and clutch togeather i looked at my parts breakdown for proper orientation. another thing i forgot to say was i did not resurface the flywheel. was not to bad so i just used fine sandpaper to clean it up a little.

Hooked_on_HP · Nov 18, 2012

Did you replace the pressure plate. Did you check the adjustment of the pressure plate.Both discs have seperate adjustments and have to be adjusted properly . I you don't have the Ford manual you might not know this has to be done. I have a Jen Sales and a Ford manual and the jen sales manual doesn't mention it. Do you have the clutch linkage adjusted properly. You could be bottoming out the clutch when you press it all the way down. Does it smoke it you only push the pedal 1/2 way.
Bill

mellowrose · Nov 18, 2012

thanks for taking the time to reply hooked. i am kind of at a loss here. not a real mechanic here but i do have some skills that lean that way. ok, the pressure plate is new and was suppose to be adjusted when it was rebuilt as per the ford place. i do have a manual that does show both adjustments. the adjustments on the unit were lock tighted with white goop so they would not move. i was going to check to see if it smokes when it is pressed half way down this morning. the pressure plate was rebuilt along with the clutch. so both pressure plates were rebuilt. when i had the clutch housing open i looked at the linkage play in reference to the throw out bearing movement and adjusted the linkage so there was about an inch movement on the pedal before the throw out bearing and holder just started to move. there is another bolt that acts like a stop on the clutch pedal pivot, and you know i did adjust that when i was having trouble with the clutch. so it could very well be bottoming out. it limits the pedal from going to far down. i just went and looked at the travel in reference to the pivot bolt and it lacks about a half inch before it in hits. you have given me ideas. i really appreciate the response, Bill. i am going to go adjust the pivot bolt to limit the travel and see what happens when pressed half way down. i had not thought of that. it does not smoke with clutch pedal not pressed. will post again with results. thanks again. rick

Hooked_on_HP · Nov 18, 2012

Hopefully the fix is as simple as adjusting the stop bolt. Keep us posted.
Bill

mellowrose · Nov 18, 2012

adjusted the stop bolt. the pto engages with a little grind and the gears engage and tractor moves. clutch does not stop the movement. also noticed a little squeel when first moveing the clutch. after a few seconds the smoke starts again, maybe not as bad. so i am about convinced i have put the throwout bearing on backwards. so i will split it and see. no sense making what ever it is worse. will post later. rick

mellowrose · Nov 18, 2012

well i have some good news and some good news and some good news!!! the throwout bearing was definately in backwards, nothing seems to be hurt, and i have all afternoon to put it back togeather. the three adjustment bolts on the arms needed to be cleaned up a little, but the white goop was still in place so nothing moved. bearing not hurt at all. so i guess i am back to work. need to thank you'all again because i was at a stop work situation. between the two replies i got the answer had to be in there and it was. also made me think instead of giving up. will post again when back togeather. would like to post some pictures, will have to figure out how to do that. thanks again. rick

mellowrose · Nov 19, 2012

kind of got side tracked off and on but is is togeather and almost have all the fluid leaks fixed. it works fine. the pto even stops when pressed all the way down. i did have some trouble with the adjustment though. my book is a little misleading as far as the cluth goes. i adjusted it and it did not work. got to studying the linkage the and the throwout bearing. the bearing was moving but the pressure plate arms were not moving with the pedal all the way down. the start safty switch was stopping the pedal. also the trowout bearing had to move some before it touched anything. got the switch out of the way and adjusted the linkage where the bearing sat a little ways from the bolts on the arms. still had my 1 inch play in the pedal. then it worked. so if the way i adjusted it is wrong, somebody please let me know. this whole experience gives new meaning to the phrase " dont ride the clutch pedal ". thanks again for the help. could not have finished otherwise. rick

tthopskin@yahoo.ca · Nov 21, 2012

mellowrose said:
well i have some good news and some good news and some good news!!! the throwout bearing was definately in backwards, nothing seems to be hurt, and i have all afternoon to put it back togeather. the three adjustment bolts on the arms needed to be cleaned up a little, but the white goop was still in place so nothing moved. bearing not hurt at all. so i guess i am back to work. need to thank you'all again because i was at a stop work situation. between the two replies i got the answer had to be in there and it was. also made me think instead of giving up. will post again when back togeather. would like to post some pictures, will have to figure out how to do that. thanks again. rick

glade you found the problem very esally done ..it made me think of it when i split my tractor i but the throw out in backwards just to see what my son would say lol.. he did a tractor at work not him but they split it 4 times ..here the clutch was put in back words from the start and every one put it back the same way .. i would have done it my self too .. glade you cot it ,i have to split mine again too 3 times not fun anymore