Flail mower vs Bush Hog

   / Flail mower vs Bush Hog #1  

TBone

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Kubota L-2501 HST
I have a L2501 with 5' Landpride bush hog that I use for cutting about 6 acres of heavy grass. If I don't cut it regularly and keep my bush hog blades sharp I have to go slow and even then it's all the little 25hp can do to cut it. I do cut it very short (2") because I want it to look as neat as possible. I have always owned a bush hog (brush hog is proper term) but have never even seen a flail mower, much less used one. I've read where they can give a cleaner cut but I'm wondering if I have enough tractor to power it. I'd like to have a 5' mower so it cuts out my tire tracks but could make do with a 4' if necessary. Any thoughts on comparing the two mowers? Thanks.
 
   / Flail mower vs Bush Hog #2  
I answered your other post on the 25hp topic too. I have a 7.5ft flail mower (Alamo SHD88) I use on my MF 2660. The other mower I alternate with the flail is a 7' Bush Hog brand hog. Lot larger tractor but can still comment on comparison of flail vs hog. The flail leaves a uniform layer of what appears to be 2 or 3 inch pieces of grass all over the cutting path whether the grass is 1ft or 3ft tall. It is not what I'd call a clean cut (nothing like a lawn style) but is great for pastures etc. so long as you don't have thick limbs, too many rocks, etc. The 7ft hog cuts a much cleaner path than the flail (more like a lawn) BUT if the grass is more than a foot or so tall it will leave good size windrows of hay. What it amounts to is -- no matter what you use for cutting -- you will have to cut more often and not let it get 3' tall or you have no chance of a smooth clean surface behind you. You cannot even do that with a good belly mower (like on my BX2200 or my B2150 Kubotas) unless you want to bag it (!!)
 
   / Flail mower vs Bush Hog
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I answered your other post on the 25hp topic too. I have a 7.5ft flail mower (Alamo SHD88) I use on my MF 2660. The other mower I alternate with the flail is a 7' Bush Hog brand hog. Lot larger tractor but can still comment on comparison of flail vs hog. The flail leaves a uniform layer of what appears to be 2 or 3 inch pieces of grass all over the cutting path whether the grass is 1ft or 3ft tall. It is not what I'd call a clean cut (nothing like a lawn style) but is great for pastures etc. so long as you don't have thick limbs, too many rocks, etc. The 7ft hog cuts a much cleaner path than the flail (more like a lawn) BUT if the grass is more than a foot or so tall it will leave good size windrows of hay. What it amounts to is -- no matter what you use for cutting -- you will have to cut more often and not let it get 3' tall or you have no chance of a smooth clean surface behind you. You cannot even do that with a good belly mower (like on my BX2200 or my B2150 Kubotas) unless you want to bag it (!!)
Thanks. At least I know what to expect as far as cut from a flail mower. Like I said I've never even seen one. A couple of questions: Alternating between the flail and the Bush Hog - which one takes the most power to cut the same grass, flail or rotary cutter? Also, how often do you have to sharpen the blades on the flail and how much PITA is it to do?
BTW I don't have large limbs or rocks but do have some uneven ground that causes my mower to dig into the dirt in a few places.
 
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It is a little hard to be sure I'm giving you a correct answer on most power required: Running an 81 hp tractor neither one (hog or flail) drags it down enough to tell really. I do mow on steep enough places a lot to be able to say the flail seems to take a little less "oomph" to do it but that may be because the bush hog weighs about 1500 lbs. They are pretty different to mow with in part because the flail mower has a big steel roller that rolls over the ground right after the flails have done the cutting. The whole weight of the flail mower rests on that roller all the time you are using it without a heck of a lot of weight on the 3pt hitch. You really should find someone with a flail mower and watch it operate some. It is very enlightening.

Full disclosure: I have never sharpened a fail knife. Do sharpen hog blades but only after a LOT of hours. Certainly for a smoother cut one should do that but most of my cutting is pasture fields. I do cut 10 or 12 acres of meadow at least once a year just to keep it from growing out of hand with weeds and other crap. It is what I'd call heavy grass (hay really) which I cut simply because my farm renters are afraid or unwilling to take their big heavy hay equipment on steep slopes.

If you have really GOOD jack stands and can lay on your back, the flails are pretty simple/easy /quick to get on and off. Mine use U-shaped knife holders with a 5/16" pin thru the U - ends and cotter keys thru the end of the pins. I can send pictures if you want. I have changed probably 25 or 30 knives over 3 seasons using it, mainly because of hitting heavy limbs or hidden posts here and there in the pasture. When you knock a knife off the thing vibrates so much being out of balance you know it immediately. There are many brands of flail mowers with all sorts of variations (out on hydraulic arms, offset or not, using heavy solid cast iron chopper knives, using lighter twin knives forming a "Y" and made of 1/8" steel, etc.) They (new mowers) "ain't cheap." I lucked out finding a heavy repairable used one at auction. If your fields to be cut are free of old posts, tree limbs, head sized rocks, etc. then you will love a flail mower. To me they are quite fast and forgiving to operate as well as more maneuverable than the same width hog would be.

Essentially all the highway crews use flail mowers these days. Siddle up to any dealer that sells parts to the state or county roadside people and ask to see some example knives of the various types. I use the heaviest stamped steel knives (as do the state highway crews mostly.) They are fairly cheap and easily replaceable. Mine uses 44 pairs of "Y" style cutter knives in an 88" width of cut. The cast iron chopper types are for heavier brush, etc.
 
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I just bought a Maschio Tigre 300 and I too had never run one. I cut a lawn groomed pasture probably 5 acres with a Frontier 20' finish mower. I ran over some places I had already cut with the FM using the flail and it cut the grass down another 1/2". Very impressive. I can't speak to the wind rows because I never let mine get above 2 to 3 inches tall before I cut it. Mine has hammers instead of blades so I too am curious about how well they hold an edge.
 
   / Flail mower vs Bush Hog
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It is a little hard to be sure I'm giving you a correct answer on most power required: Running an 81 hp tractor neither one (hog or flail) drags it down enough to tell really. I do mow on steep enough places a lot to be able to say the flail seems to take a little less "oomph" to do it but that may be because the bush hog weighs about 1500 lbs. They are pretty different to mow with in part because the flail mower has a big steel roller that rolls over the ground right after the flails have done the cutting. The whole weight of the flail mower rests on that roller all the time you are using it without a heck of a lot of weight on the 3pt hitch. You really should find someone with a flail mower and watch it operate some. It is very enlightening.

Full disclosure: I have never sharpened a fail knife. Do sharpen hog blades but only after a LOT of hours. Certainly for a smoother cut one should do that but most of my cutting is pasture fields. I do cut 10 or 12 acres of meadow at least once a year just to keep it from growing out of hand with weeds and other crap. It is what I'd call heavy grass (hay really) which I cut simply because my farm renters are afraid or unwilling to take their big heavy hay equipment on steep slopes.

If you have really GOOD jack stands and can lay on your back, the flails are pretty simple/easy /quick to get on and off. Mine use U-shaped knife holders with a 5/16" pin thru the U - ends and cotter keys thru the end of the pins. I can send pictures if you want. I have changed probably 25 or 30 knives over 3 seasons using it, mainly because of hitting heavy limbs or hidden posts here and there in the pasture. When you knock a knife off the thing vibrates so much being out of balance you know it immediately. There are many brands of flail mowers with all sorts of variations (out on hydraulic arms, offset or not, using heavy solid cast iron chopper knives, using lighter twin knives forming a "Y" and made of 1/8" steel, etc.) They (new mowers) "ain't cheap." I lucked out finding a heavy repairable used one at auction. If your fields to be cut are free of old posts, tree limbs, head sized rocks, etc. then you will love a flail mower. To me they are quite fast and forgiving to operate as well as more maneuverable than the same width hog would be.

Essentially all the highway crews use flail mowers these days. Siddle up to any dealer that sells parts to the state or county roadside people and ask to see some example knives of the various types. I use the heaviest stamped steel knives (as do the state highway crews mostly.) They are fairly cheap and easily replaceable. Mine uses 44 pairs of "Y" style cutter knives in an 88" width of cut. The cast iron chopper types are for heavier brush, etc.
Thanks so much. Your experience has given me a lot to think about. I'm definitely gonna check out a flail mower somewhere. The only time I mentioned one to my dealer he didn't have a clue.
 
   / Flail mower vs Bush Hog #7  
L3200 & an old beat to hell $100 7' Ford 917 flail. I had to go slow, a lot slower than with a 5' new LandPride rotary cutter (bush hog). I cut about the same acres per hour with each. Going slow & wide was a smoother ride though.

Cut quality was the flail hands down. Nice even clipping very mulched & spread out like a blanket. Rotary cutter scalped & left clumps everywhere.
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   / Flail mower vs Bush Hog
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L3200 & an old beat to hell $100 7' Ford 917 flail. I had to go slow, a lot slower than with a 5' new LandPride rotary cutter (bush hog). I cut about the same acres per hour with each. Going slow & wide was a smoother ride though.

Cut quality was the flail hands down. Nice even clipping very mulched & spread out like a blanket. Rotary cutter scalped & left clumps everywhere.
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Now if I can just find a $100 flail mower I'll be set.
 
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Now if I can just find a $100 flail mower I'll be set.
I retired it after 4-5 years. Probably had $500 in it all said & done. New PTO shaft (was missing), new belts, flails & shackles, blew rotor bearings after a couple years. You can see the patch job for the bent hood in back that was causing knife strikes. You can't see the 2' long crack in the hood where one of the center braces was welded (never did bother fixing that). It was beat to hell when I got it. But it gave me a few good years of light commercial work & made me see the value of a flail. Still worked fine when I retired it. Keep it as a spare if my new Peruzzo goes down on a job.
 
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As usual Messicks has a decent YouTube video comparing what you are using and what you are looking at. All in the same rather high grass field at the same time. Neil also explains how each works and the pros and cons.
 

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