Filters for fuel transfer

[dknarnd]

Going to set up a fuel transfer system to use for both diesel and kerosene out of 55 gallon drums. I have been looking at Northern T&E and will probably go with the model FR1620 pump for ease of switching between tanks plus flexibility to pump from other containers if needed. Now to the subject of the thread I see both spin on and bowl type filters, two questions.

1. pros and cons of the two types of filters (bowl would be nice because you can see in it)
2. it seems like water seperating filters and particle seperating filters are different, does this mean you need two different filters off of your pump to really get clean fuel?

 

[LBrown59]

Going to set up a fuel transfer system to use for both diesel and kerosene out of 55 gallon drums.

1*I have been looking at Northern T&E and will probably go with the model FR1620 pump.
2* for ease of switching between tanks plus flexibility to pump from other containers if needed.
3*1. pros and cons of the two types of filters (bowl would be nice because you can see in it)
4*2. it seems like water separating filters and particle separating filters are different,
5*does this mean you need two different filters off of your pump to really get clean fuel?
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I* I would not go with an AC pump due to no pumping ability in the event of a power failure and the loss of portability that a DC unit offers.
I would highly recommend the FR 1612 pump over the FR1620.
The FR1620 cost almost as much as I have in my complete set up.
2*The secret isn't in moving the pump from barrel to barrel.
The key is in moving the fuel from drum to drum.
My set up does this wonderfully.
The most intriguingly unique feature of my set up system is it's ability to pump fuel out of any container without any removing or switching of the pump around from one drum to another.
3*They have been using spin on filters on hundreds of thousands of cars trucks buses tractors and heavy equipment for decades with great results so that's good enough for me.
4*Particle filters separate particles only.
Water separation filters separate both.
5*All you need is a water blocker.
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6*Some obstacles you may encounter:
Drums may be hard to find at reasonable prices.
They don't make a fitting for drums to accommodate the suction hose going from the pump down into the bottom of the drum.
I had to have a fitting special made for that.
The first try was a failure because it leaked.
The second one can't leak and works great.

7*Here is a good thread with lots of detail about how I did my set up and how it works.
If you have any questions or need help just ask,
I can give you fittings hoses and sizes for all.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...rage-transfer-set.html?highlight=fuel+storage

 

[LBrown59]

Going to set up a fuel transfer system to use for both diesel and kerosene out of 55 gallon drums. I have been looking at Northern T&E and will probably go with the model FR1620 pump for ease of switching between tanks plus flexibility to pump from other containers if needed. Now to the subject of the thread I see both spin on and bowl type filters, two questions.

1. pros and cons of the two types of filters (bowl would be nice because you can see in it)
2. it seems like water seperating filters and particle seperating filters are different, does this mean you need two different filters off of your pump to really get clean fuel?

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/1416095-post3.html
Pictures of my set up.

 

[dknarnd]

LBrown...I have been watching your fuel thread and like your set-up although I'm not sold on the 12V pump. Portability has it's merits but if my drums are inside the shed I can't see any reason for me to be portable. And actually looking at your set-up it doesn't appear like you are planning on moving it much either. But it is a less expensive pump!

I like your pick-up pipe for inside the drum, is it all hand made or is it a purchased pick-up pipe welded to the 2" adapter.

 

[LBrown59]

I like your pick-up pipe for inside the drum, is it all hand made or is it a purchased pick-up pipe welded to the 2" adapter.

Is this what you're calling my pick-up pipe ?




Here are some pictures with the brass union connecting it and the pump inlet hose together.

 

[dknarnd]

Yes that is it, but it looks pretty short to reach the bottom of the drum.

 

[LBrown59]

Yes that is it, but it looks pretty short to reach the bottom of the drum.

It's is short because It's meant to get you through the top of the drum not to reach the bottom of the drum.

Without this special made fitting there is no way to connect the hose outside the drum to the suction tube inside the drum.

The top end of this is connected to the inlet hose of the pump.
What you can't see in the pictures is the suction tube connected to the bottom end which is inside the drum.

 

[LBrown59]

What you can't see in the pictures is the suction tube connected to the bottom end which is inside the drum.

I should have taken a picture of the whole assembly before i installed it on the drum.
Just never thought to do it.

 

[LBrown59]

I like your pick-up pipe for inside the drum.
Is it all hand made or is it a purchased pick-up pipe welded to the 2" adapter.

There is a plastic suction tube or pick up pipe as you call it inside the drum.
What you're referring to as an adapter is actually a bushing.
No fuel flows through the bushing so all the bushing does is attach the fitting to the drum.

I should have taken pictures of the whole assembly before I put it to together and installed it on the drum but didn't think of doing it at the time.
Don't hardly want to tear it down just so I can photograph it.

I Want to add another 55 gallon drum to my set up and will need to do the same thing on that drum so will take pictures before installing it on the drum.

What's holding me up from adding it is I can't find one so if anybody has any tips on where I might find a drum I'd be much obliged.

 

[LBrown59]

Going to set up a fuel transfer system to use for both diesel and kerosene out of 55 gallon drums.

Got anything under way on this yet.?

 

[dknarnd]

Haven't started...I'm at a bit of a handicap because my "real" property is 4 hours away from where I live. Still thinking about it, although it is less money I am not sold on the 12v pump either. The way I look at it if I have to run power for a charger / converter then I may as well just plug the pump in. Portability isn't really a big deal because I can't see having a large quantity of fuel anywhere that is not near power, and if it really does happen I can bring my generator to run the pump.

Also I believe the 115v pump is a little more robust and they sell repair kits for it but I did not see any listed for the 12v pump.

 

[LBrown59]

Haven't started..
1* although it is less money I am not sold on the 12v pump
. The way I look at it if I have to run power for a charger / converter then I may as well just plug the pump in.
Portability isn't really a big deal because I can't see having a large quantity of fuel anywhere that is not near power, and
2*if it really does happen I can bring my generator to run the pump

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1*If you feel better with the 115 V pump I'd go with it then.
2*True but I don't have a Gen.
I can however unclip the pump wires from my set up and clip them on the tractor battery post in case of a power outage.
I used the battery charger because I already had it setting around and it saves me from having to connect the pump wires to the tractor battery every time I need fuel.
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I used 1/2'' hose on the outlet side of the pump and 5/8" hose on the inlet side of the pump. Works great.
Should have use 1/2'' for both.
I didn't want to go with the bulkier more cumbersome 3/4 and 1 inch hose.
The 1/2'' hose works fine and is easier to handle and store.
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Your main problem will still be getting through the top of the drum with the outlet hose since nobody makes a fitting that will do that.

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