Fairlead to winch distance

   / Fairlead to winch distance #1  

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I want to mount a 12000lb Badlands (HF) winch to a car hauler style trailer. The 12000 capacity is way more than I really need I believe, but the price difference going to the lower power winches was not significant. I initially thought I could mount the winch to the frame using some channel iron, no welding capability at this time, so bolts; and mount the fairlead to the trailer bed or actually the front square bar along the front of the trailer bed, can't remember the correct name - never really knew it. My thinking was to allow the cable to smoothly transition over the trailer body, however it seemed that the fairlead probably needs to be close to the winch to effectively guide the cable onto the spool. The instructions don't have any real details on the fairlead mounting and based on things I have seen it usually seems to be within a few inches of the winch, but I would like to know if that is true or not. I was planning on putting the winch inside a trailer tongue box to keep it out of the weather along with the battery and this would put it at least 18" back from the front of the trailer bed. As a car is winched up and the normal tie down point being on either the left or right side of the vehicle, the cable's angle as it is winched in could become severe, this would especially be the case if the winch was directly on the trailer bed like a tow truck so mounting the winch further forward along with the fairlead seems prudent. Since the fairlead didn't come with much mounting hardware I will need to be creative and the spacing to the winch is still an issue, could I put it in front of the tongue box and about 6-8" in front of the winch and still expect it to wind up correctly?

One other question, the manual says to wind the winch in with at least a 500lb load on it to keep the cable taut. That is quite a load, how do you do this? I don't want to leave the cable spooled out if possible since I won't use it often and it would be in the way if I wanted to put something on the trailer bed while it simply sits around so winding it in without a car, etc. to provide a load is a challenge.
 
   / Fairlead to winch distance #2  
On my previous tilt bed trailer I mounted the winch inside a TSC box on the front of the trailer. The box was supported by 1/4" angle and the winch plate bolted through the box and angle. I cut an opening in the box and mounted the fairlead. Current tilt trailer has the winch mounted to the deck. Front of winch plate bolts through the trailer front cross beam and back mount bolts go thru 1/2" thick plates on top and bottom of the deck. For both winches I bolted a D-ring on the deck for the cable hook. When retracting winch cable without a load I hold tension on the cable using heavy leather gloves. Always wear gloves if hand are in contact with cable.
 

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   / Fairlead to winch distance #3  
I think most folks just hold as much tension as they can by hand holding the cable and pulling back as hard as they can. I doubt this is 500# but it is usually enough to keep the cable taught as it winds in.
 
   / Fairlead to winch distance #4  
On my previous tilt bed trailer I mounted the winch inside a TSC box on the front of the trailer. The box was supported by 1/4" angle and the winch plate bolted through the box and angle. I cut an opening in the box and mounted the fairlead. Current tilt trailer has the winch mounted to the deck. Front of winch plate bolts through the trailer front cross beam and back mount bolts go thru 1/2" thick plates on top and bottom of the deck. For both winches I bolted a D-ring on the deck for the cable hook. When retracting winch cable without a load I hold tension on the cable using heavy leather gloves. Always wear gloves if hand are in contact with cable.

That first photo looks like the cable has bird nested on you with lots of loops overlaid by the cable. Definitely not enough tension on it as it was rewound.
 
   / Fairlead to winch distance #5  
Hook to a tree with some extra chain, straps or cable and pull your trailer/truck combo to the tree
 
   / Fairlead to winch distance #6  
That first photo looks like the cable has bird nested on you with lots of loops overlaid by the cable. Definitely not enough tension on it as it was rewound.

You are correct. Once the winch is put in free wheel and I pull out 25-30' of cable to hook up a vehicle to drag on the trailer the cable is in sync on the roller. The problem with that setup is with the winch mounted inside the box I could not see the roller as the cable is retracting to guide each cable wrap properly. The new trailer winch isn't in a box so I can guide each wrap as it winds up. When not in use I cover that winch with a large rubbermade tote.
 
   / Fairlead to winch distance #7  
I would suggest that the fairlead should be as far away as practical from the winch for good winding, although with trailer loading you'll prolly be loading in a pretty straight line pull anyway. You might think about shortening the cable to somewhere around 20' beyond the trailer, and saving the rest for replacment later. Winches are rated at "first layer" pull and rapidly decrease with each layer. This will help your battery (power) and it's a lot easier to keep a shorter cable "in order". Usually you should have 5 or so "wraps" around the winch drum before you load (work) it.
 
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Thanks for the replies from all. I was planning on something similar to George2615 first photo with the winch in a box, I will have to look at the photo more closely to understand how the fairlead was mounted, I wouldn't think the box is strong enough for this purpose without some reinforcement. Rustyiron's statement about as far away from the winch as practical would mean I could do what I had originally planned, winch in box on front frame channels of trailer and fairlead mounted to the wheel stop bar. I was thinking it might need to be very close to the winch after looking at some examples of winches on cars, so this new information sounds good for my situation. If it doesn't work out I can always change it if I plan ahead a bit I think. Putting the fairlead on top of the trailer will help keep the cable vertical angle to the vehicle pretty flat and not drag/rub on the trailer itself. I think the supplied cable is not much longer than the 20' beyond the trailer as Rustyiron suggests so I should be OK there.

So the tension on the cable issue for winding up without a vehicle seems to be problematic, I doubt hand holding produces more than 50lbs of tension but if that has worked for you then maybe it is sufficient. I was thinking about using an old garage door spring with a large pulley and light cable type jury rig but that would not be easy to set up and I would still end up with a cable stretched across the trailer, albeit a much smaller one. Thanks again to all.
 
   / Fairlead to winch distance #9  
I don't see the issue with mounting the fairlead further away. I assume it is as wide as the winch drum, so it should alow the cable to wind as needed during use, and respooling after use is what you 'should' do after each time. I've never heard of the respooling with 500# load thing in 25 years of reading off road magazines, just hand tension, but keep the wraps tight and layers full, no gaps if possible. Sounds good 'on paper', real life is what it is...
 
   / Fairlead to winch distance #10  
As dielselcrawler said, I have owned winches since 1977 and only wind the cable on by leading it with one hand. Never did the 500 pound thing, with steel cable or synthetic and never had nay problems. If the fairlead is too wide or narrow, I could see where the cable would be mislead.

I think Ramsey offered a nice thing that as you wind in cable, it moves back and forth, as the drum turns, feeding the cable neatly. Warn does not offer this.

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