electrical problem - no hydraulics

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BullCreek

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I posted the problem summary in the repair forum:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/parts-repairs/396656-weird-electrical-problem-no-hydraulics.html

I acquired a copy of the service manual online and while it is helpful in that it has full schematics of the electrical and hydraulic systems, I don't know enough about hydraulics to know for sure what I am looking at in the attached pictures. IMG_1001.JPGIMG_1002.JPG

The manual refers to a "detent coil" - is that the one with the big hose and wires going into it - does that need power to let fluid flow into the hydraulics - I'm wondering if one of the wires to it is shorted out or if possibly using the rig for that day without the alternator charging maybe damaged the coil (lower voltage mean more current right)? If you notice the bigger tube on the right and zoom in you will see a red and white wire broken off - that has been broken for years to no ill effect although I'm not sure what it was supposed to do originally (I mow a lot of brush/blackberries with a hydraulic skid steer mower on the front and while I generally try to mow it low enough I can see, sticks and stuff sometimes pop up and get stuck up in there - I'm sure brush is what broke the red/white wire off - tractor really needs a belly pan - or maybe I need to be more careful).

The shorting problem that I thought was the alternator but turned out not to be seems to have gone away the same time the hydraulics died, but I need to get the hydraulics working so I can lift the load/hoe enough to at least move the machine/possibly take it to the dealer - although I will admit I'm hesitant because while the JCB has been a great machine, I don't think the dealer I bought it from still carries them and I doubt they know how to work on them although they no doubt know more than me. You can get parts from them from several places in UK and Europe - I'm sure shipping will be $$$.

If anyone has any advice on how to troubleshoot, I can PM you the schematics if that would be helpful - I'm assuming posting them would probably be a no no.
 
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If I'm interpreting the manual correctly, this is what the above pictures are:

Screen Shot 2018-05-28 at 4.16.42 PM.png

The first one goes to the hydraulic PTO and the fourth one with the broken wires is the auxiliary detent which I guess must be normally open as what I'm assuming they are referring to as my aux hydraulics (middle of the loader crossbar used to run squeeze on grapple, hydraulic mower, etc.) worked fine until everything died. FWIW there was a plug about 6 inches from where the wires broke off - when I discovered it hanging down several years ago, I unplugged the broken piece, and taped the mating piece up to a hydraulic hose so it wouldn't hang down and get caught/broken or water in it. So while I was hoping one of those things might allow me to get the hydraulics working, after reading more I'm thinking not.

This picture shows a solenoid:

Screen Shot 2018-05-28 at 4.31.42 PM.png

but I'm not sure where that is - would that not working cause the hydraulics to be dead? I don't think it is the pump because the transmission is hydraulic and it will still move forward and backward fine.

Sorry to be a dummy!
 
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Is your manual an electronic one, i.e. came on a CD-rom or a paper one.

If it is electronic, invest some time in learning to use Jumpshare which allows you to upload large files to a site which saves them for you and then you send someone like me an email which contains a link so I can download your electronic file.

If the file is not large, then send me a PM and we can talk about you emailing me a copy.

If I have the complete manual I can offer more help.

A few pages are just confusing.

Dave M7040
 
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Is that maybe a pilot dump?
 

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