eBay/Craigslist Ebay fraud....L5030?
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Dargo
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eBay is apparently not interested in preventing fraud and theft. This exact same tractor has been posted about a half a dozen times from the the person with the exact same email address that is listed in the auction. This is a different person shown as selling the tractor. The seller's eBay account has been hijacked and doesn't have a clue that they have a tractor listed for sale.
Ebay has made it apparent that they do not care one bit about fraud as long as they get their listing fee. This auction will be removed within an hour or so, but watch and see. It will be back next week. eBay does nothing to pursue the criminals using their site as a means to commit fraud. There is talk among some attorneys that eBay may be in for a huge class action law suit because of this. Have you ever seen an auction on there that was a "pre-approved" bidder only auction that wasn't a scam?! eBay knows these are all scams, but still allows it on their site.
I'd watch USA Today or other papers to see when this huge law suit hits them. I've read about this possibility for a while and figured that eBay wouldn't be so stupid as to continue to blatently allow fraud. So far, listing fees outweigh any concern for safety.
Ebay has made it apparent that they do not care one bit about fraud as long as they get their listing fee. This auction will be removed within an hour or so, but watch and see. It will be back next week. eBay does nothing to pursue the criminals using their site as a means to commit fraud. There is talk among some attorneys that eBay may be in for a huge class action law suit because of this. Have you ever seen an auction on there that was a "pre-approved" bidder only auction that wasn't a scam?! eBay knows these are all scams, but still allows it on their site.
I'd watch USA Today or other papers to see when this huge law suit hits them. I've read about this possibility for a while and figured that eBay wouldn't be so stupid as to continue to blatently allow fraud. So far, listing fees outweigh any concern for safety.
cchoate
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These scamers are real stupid too. If they wanted to make it semi - believable they would set the price around 20k or more.
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"This listing (7343760515) has been removed by eBay or is no longer available."
Somebody reported it to ebay. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Somebody reported it to ebay. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
orangebluegreen
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Seen some of the pictures of a B7610 that has been listed on TBN show up in an ad that was supposedly close to my location in Fl. I knew it was a scam but figured I would see, the TBN ad had been in another state. They responded back and said the item was not in Florida but the UK I believe, along with some long BS story. Another one claimed he had an accident and could not talk on the phone but could only communicate through e-mail. I agree e-bay must not care because to report a fraud one has to log into e-bay. I don’t even have an e-bay account, so they want me to sign up to report a scam!
A shame, e-bay could be and sometimes appears to be a great thing. Biggest tip-off I have seen so far on tractors is the 1 day must sell quick deals...yeah...they know their ad will be pulled before then. Most of them use throw away e-mails like Yahoo also.
Recently discussing this topic with a friend they informed me a friend of theirs bought an auto recently from Miami for $19,000 on e-bay. The seller wanted to deliver it and not have them come over to pick it up. They buyers wanted to inspect it first so they drove over. They apparently met at an auto dealer lot that was actually closed for business at the time and they supposedly didn’t know that. The person who apparently scammed them used someone else’s auto dealer lot to meet, apparently he had some access to the building. After inspecting and paying they drove home and had tires coming apart on the trip. Turns out it was previously wrecked severely front and back and did not track straight. The VIN had show clean and no wrecks. They supposedly had a 30 day money back but the seller has disappeared and of course no one saw anything in Miami. E-bay is apparently willing to cover some of the cost in repairing it to safe levels, but still if resold it will be a big loss.
Personally I find it hard to believe anyone wouldn’t realize they were at someone else’s dealership and the guy they were dealing with wasn’t the owner, but who knows. Guess that’s why you have to use escrow accounts, but I’m not sure that would have helped either.
A shame, e-bay could be and sometimes appears to be a great thing. Biggest tip-off I have seen so far on tractors is the 1 day must sell quick deals...yeah...they know their ad will be pulled before then. Most of them use throw away e-mails like Yahoo also.
Recently discussing this topic with a friend they informed me a friend of theirs bought an auto recently from Miami for $19,000 on e-bay. The seller wanted to deliver it and not have them come over to pick it up. They buyers wanted to inspect it first so they drove over. They apparently met at an auto dealer lot that was actually closed for business at the time and they supposedly didn’t know that. The person who apparently scammed them used someone else’s auto dealer lot to meet, apparently he had some access to the building. After inspecting and paying they drove home and had tires coming apart on the trip. Turns out it was previously wrecked severely front and back and did not track straight. The VIN had show clean and no wrecks. They supposedly had a 30 day money back but the seller has disappeared and of course no one saw anything in Miami. E-bay is apparently willing to cover some of the cost in repairing it to safe levels, but still if resold it will be a big loss.
Personally I find it hard to believe anyone wouldn’t realize they were at someone else’s dealership and the guy they were dealing with wasn’t the owner, but who knows. Guess that’s why you have to use escrow accounts, but I’m not sure that would have helped either.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Somebody reported it to ebay. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)</font>
That would be me. I hate criminals who prey on others! eBay deserves to be sued over their allowing these stupid "pre-approved" bidder auctions. They have known for years that almost every single one of them are attempts at fraud.
That would be me. I hate criminals who prey on others! eBay deserves to be sued over their allowing these stupid "pre-approved" bidder auctions. They have known for years that almost every single one of them are attempts at fraud.
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I aggree,EBay is getting to the point, where all they are interested in is the listing fees and adding upgrades. Their buyer protection stinks as they charge to get a refund for no delivery of an item, problem is, if you paid $20 for an item that was not delivered, they charge a fee of $25 to get your refund.
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My favorite tell tale sign of a scam is: a large item like a tractor or ATV that they have free shipping world wide.
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I no longer use ebay... takes too much time to try and find a 'good' deal. I would rather spend a couple of bucks more, Know I'm getting what I paid for, and not deal with all the freakin' scammers.
btolle
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OK, I am not neccasarily a big ebay fan but I will have to speak up.
I think they do care about fraud, they pull the ads within an hour of you report it.
The problem is that they have so many new listings every day that they cannot have a human review each one. If they tried to do that they would have to raise their fees so high that the small sellers would have to quit using them.
All this computer stuff is a double edged sword. One edge is it gives us all a way to buy and sell all over the country at a reasonable sales fee. The other edge is it makes it easy for scammers to take advantage of easy prey.
If a buyer is dumb enough to take delivery of a car outside of regular business hours that's his problem. If some idiot sends a scammer $5,000 for a tractor that he knows is worth $20,000 then he is trying to screw the seller so he gets his just desserts.
Ebay is not the only place this happens anyway. For a while in Dallas some guy would rent a high dollar house, put an ad in the paper and "sell" the house for cheap, get a big deposit check from the buyer (usually several buyers in one weekend) and cash it. Folks, if it sounds too good to be true, it is.
Bill Tolle
I think they do care about fraud, they pull the ads within an hour of you report it.
The problem is that they have so many new listings every day that they cannot have a human review each one. If they tried to do that they would have to raise their fees so high that the small sellers would have to quit using them.
All this computer stuff is a double edged sword. One edge is it gives us all a way to buy and sell all over the country at a reasonable sales fee. The other edge is it makes it easy for scammers to take advantage of easy prey.
If a buyer is dumb enough to take delivery of a car outside of regular business hours that's his problem. If some idiot sends a scammer $5,000 for a tractor that he knows is worth $20,000 then he is trying to screw the seller so he gets his just desserts.
Ebay is not the only place this happens anyway. For a while in Dallas some guy would rent a high dollar house, put an ad in the paper and "sell" the house for cheap, get a big deposit check from the buyer (usually several buyers in one weekend) and cash it. Folks, if it sounds too good to be true, it is.
Bill Tolle