Oil & Fuel Dumb oversight on 150 hr oil ch,

ron45 · Jun 14, 2012

The place where I park kioti is not level. But it's oh so shady, `Realized the mistake after draining the oil. So I went ahead with the new oil and filter. I measured out 6 quarts and a bit of change for the .1 part. I have oil in the view port at about half way up. But the oil light stayed on after startup. Gave it a minute or two and shut down. Checked oil at dipstick, dry. I was too late to call anyone but thinking about it, I decided because it's down some in the rear and canted to the left a little the oil isn't getting to the pan. I added another pint of oil figuring the new filter would use that but no oil on dipstick and plenty in the view port. I'm pretty sure I didn't quite get six quarts out but never saw an oil lite after startup in the 3 hrs or so I've run it. I have the old oil in gallon jugs. A friend has an oil heater he made.

I think if I fire it up and turn it around 180 degrees the light will go out. But wanted to check my thinking on the 180. The thing is canted to the dipstick side now and it's dry. Seems like there should be some circulation, if the motor is running. Isn't there an oil pump? Guess it must be in the oil pan. What would you guys do? I'm very sure I put in 6 quarts plus .1 and a pint. Even went back and checked that it wasn't six gallons. My wife was helping and she confirms six quarts. Will I hurt something if I start up and turn around so the pan is down hill from the fill area? Or should I get in a hot tub and cut my femoral arteries?

That's right, I don't have a hot tub. Toss me some advice if you can. And thanks.

wschapinjr · Jun 14, 2012

I'm guessing that you have enough oil in the crankcase. Did you fill the filter before you put it on? Is it the right filter? With a Kubota there are two hydro filters as well as an oil filter and I have caught myself reaching for the wrong replacement for the filter I need.

If it were me I would unscrew the oil filter and ensure that there was oil in it. If it is dry then it means that the oil was not being picked up by the pump which might mean something is blocking the pump pick up or the pump is not working.....good luck!

ron45 · Jun 14, 2012

Thanks WS, good idea to check oil filter. It's the correct one.

LBrown59 · Jun 14, 2012

ron45 said:
The place where I park kioti is not level. But it's oh so shady, `Realized the mistake after draining the oil. So I went ahead with the new oil and filter. I measured out 6 quarts and a bit of change for the .1 part. I have oil in the view port at about half way up. But the oil light stayed on after startup. Gave it a minute or two and shut down. Checked oil at dipstick, dry. I was too late to call anyone but thinking about it, I decided because it's down some in the rear and canted to the left a little the oil isn't getting to the pan. I added another pint of oil figuring the new filter would use that but no oil on dipstick and plenty in the view port.
I'm pretty sure I didn't quite get six quarts out but never saw an oil lite after startup in the 3 hrs or so I've run it.
I have the old oil in gallon jugs. A friend has an oil heater he made. I think if I fire it up and turn it around 180 degrees the light will go out. But wanted to check my thinking on the 180. The thing is canted to the dipstick side now and it's dry. Seems like there should be some circulation, if the motor is running. Isn't there an oil pump? Guess it must be in the oil pan. What would you guys do? I'm very sure I put in 6 quarts plus .1 and a pint. Even went back and checked that it wasn't six gallons. My wife was helping and she confirms six quarts.
1* Will I hurt something if I start up and turn around so the pan is down hill from the fill area?

1*I thought you said here and I quote (I never saw an oil lite after startup in the 3 hrs or so I've run it)If so how could starting it now cause any problem since you've already ran it for 3 hours?
Why not park it on level ground instead of just turning it around ?

Coyote machine · Jun 15, 2012

Where exactly did you pour the 6+ quarts of oil? What opening on the engine? I'm not familiar with your specific model tractor, or its engine but I believe its possible to airlock the oil getting to the sump if you pour it into the valve cover instead of the orange colored cap marked oil.
Others may be more familiar with your engine and can comment on this possibility.

Clarify if you've run the engine for three hours since changing the oil? Have you verified the oil light switch? If not verify it is not defective.

Leave out the artery part- its not funny, and all age groups including youngsters read these posts. TBN is a family oriented site.

rambler · Jun 15, 2012

ron45 said:
I have oil in the view port at about half way up.

Checked oil at dipstick, dry.

I decided because it's down some in the rear and canted to the left a little the oil isn't getting to the pan.

I added another pint of oil figuring the new filter would use that but no oil on dipstick and plenty in the view port.

but never saw an oil lite after startup in the 3 hrs or so I've run it.

The thing is canted to the dipstick side now and it's dry. Seems like there should be some circulation, if the motor is running. Isn't there an oil pump? Guess it must be in the oil pan.

Some of the above is confusing.

Are you changing oil for the 1st time after 3hours of use total on the original oil? Or where does that comment come from; before you changed oil, not after correct?

If your engine is tilted to the dipstick side; you put in over the recommended amount of oil; and the dipstick is dry - something is _wrong_. I'd be worried something is wrong. If the dipstick showed full, but the light stayed on, I'd be cautious but figure things will catch up and try your manuver - however, with the dipstick dry with the engine leaning towards the dipstick - something is wrong, I'd be concerned.

What is the 'view port'? Where is it? Is it for the engine oil, or hydraulic oil? Why is there both a view port and a dipstick for the same oil? don't know nothing about your tractor But I'd be concerned a novice might have put the engine oil in the transmission filler at this point, and getting the 2 different confused.....

If the oil is dumped into the head 6 quarts needs to go somewhere; and it has to pass down small passages to the pan - it's possible this is a poor design and it will take some time for the oil to drip through and settle down to the pan. Have you checked the dipstick an hour or 2 later? But - this still begs the question of what & where that 'viewport' is and why that shows oil when the dipstick does not? Something does not add up.

Wish I was a next door neighbor, would love to come over and check out what is going on. Hard to consider every possibility from a long distance, and hate to see you wreck an engine with bad advice.

Sometimes the engine oil filler port and the rear end, or hydrauilc, or power steering ports can be confusing, and I'd be real careful you totally for sure got the engine oil poured into the engine oil port for sure before doing anything else...... I've heard of people putting engine oil in the coolant resivoir or the windshield washer tank on autos - not trying to imply you are that far off, but what you are saying doesn't really follow through, something didn't go right and the explination is confusing enough to seem like things did not happen right? You got the oil into the engine oil port for sure?

You likely did zero damage so far, but with time all the bearings have dripped off and the short run flung the little bit of oil off them, I'd be careful trying to run it very much until the dipstick shows oil on it! Until the dipstick shows oil, the pump will not draw oil so you are out of luck until you see oil on the dipstick.

--->Paul

burnieman · Jun 15, 2012

ron45 said:
The place where I park kioti is not level. But it's oh so shady, `Realized the mistake after draining the oil. So I went ahead with the new oil and filter. I measured out 6 quarts and a bit of change for the .1 part. I have oil in the view port at about half way up. But the oil light stayed on after startup. Gave it a minute or two and shut down. Checked oil at dipstick, dry. I was too late to call anyone but thinking about it, I decided because it's down some in the rear and canted to the left a little the oil isn't getting to the pan. I added another pint of oil figuring the new filter would use that but no oil on dipstick and plenty in the view port. I'm pretty sure I didn't quite get six quarts out but never saw an oil lite after startup in the 3 hrs or so I've run it. I have the old oil in gallon jugs. A friend has an oil heater he made.

I think if I fire it up and turn it around 180 degrees the light will go out. But wanted to check my thinking on the 180. The thing is canted to the dipstick side now and it's dry. Seems like there should be some circulation, if the motor is running. Isn't there an oil pump? Guess it must be in the oil pan. What would you guys do? I'm very sure I put in 6 quarts plus .1 and a pint. Even went back and checked that it wasn't six gallons. My wife was helping and she confirms six quarts. Will I hurt something if I start up and turn around so the pan is down hill from the fill area? Or should I get in a hot tub and cut my femoral arteries?

That's right, I don't have a hot tub. Toss me some advice if you can. And thanks.

I think there are more things involved than what we've been told so far. Possibly large amounts of alcohol and some California tabacky. There are too many holes in the story. Not to worry, we've all been there. It all starts with the shade tree and goes from there. Those **** shade trees do it every time.

burnieman · Jun 17, 2012

I must have been right. The ol cocktail confusion

milkman636 · Jun 18, 2012

It really sounds like you might have put the oil in the wrong hole. If the oil went into the correct fill port it should have flowed down into the pan and shown up on the dipstick.

I would not start it again until I figured out where the 6 quarts of oil went. For step one in troubleshooting I would likely pull the drain plug again to see if the six quarts comes back out.