Ductless Split Heat Pump

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I have purchased 2 mini systems, both 12,000 btu for a unfinished room and a garage. The lineset, electrical & drain runs on the outside of the house and needs to be protected from the elements. There is a system called slimduct that can be purchased to protect the lineset. It is very expensive, and looks alot like a downspout for a gutter. Has anyone used plastic guttering the accomplish this. It is probably 1/4 of the price of the slimduct product.

Eddie
 
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I have not done it myself, But have seen plastic guttering used before when adding a AC/HP system into attics of existing houses to get the linesets down the outside walls. You could easily slit the downspout on the backside to slide over the lineset.
 
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This old house did an episode on installing one, they may have more info posted.
 
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I hope you got a better mini-split than I did. I went el-cheapo on the internet and bought a no name system and installed it myself. I'll be replacing it with a Mitsubishi sometime in the not too far off future. It works .....sorta....but not all the time ....certainly can't count on it.
 
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I went with an LG system off the Internet and it failed a couple of months before the end of the warranty and I could not find anyplace to get warranty other than Sears.

I DO NOT trust Sears to give honest service.

After much haggleing my system is not working and it is out of warranty. I have diagnosed the problem as being the controller integrated circuit and am having a hard time finding the part.

Vernon
 
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It's good to see this post on the mini-splits. I'm planning to put a heat pump mini-split in the workshop that I'm turning into living quarters. I was looking at a 18000 btu model, Mitsubishi, Samsung or LG. Any brands that anyone recommends?
 
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I installed one in 2002 and after resolving charge problems - the first guy I had here to charge it was more moron than expert - it works great. It heats up from outside temperature 38F up and the AC job in summer is amazing too.
Not sure what brand is it - I bough it on ebay.
 
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It's good to see this post on the mini-splits. I'm planning to put a heat pump mini-split in the workshop that I'm turning into living quarters. I was looking at a 18000 btu model, Mitsubishi, Samsung or LG. Any brands that anyone recommends?
Vernon's having problems with his LG .... my local hvac guy says Mitsubishi.....and you have a vote for Sanyo ....I've always liked their TVs.....How about asking your local hvac and find out who they'll service with parts and labor?
 
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Vernon's having problems with his LG .... my local hvac guy says Mitsubishi.....and you have a vote for Sanyo ....I've always liked their TVs.....How about asking your local hvac and find out who they'll service with parts and labor?

Currently there are about 73 ductless mini split brands sold in the United States today.

NONE are made in the US (the last I heard, Carrier switched from ****** to another country of origin, but I forgot which).

Japan, Korean, China. That's about the order you'll get for both quality and price (look at the spec's per the maximum lineset lenght allowed, that's your first hint).

Anyone installing it themselves, don't forget, most (all that I know of, if not all) are now R410A, and each make usually needs an adaptor fitting for your hoses for charging:D
 
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Received my systems today, I'm waiting for the room to be finished, I hurt my knee and can't finish the sheet rock. I will post results concerning installation (I plan to do installation and have HVAC professional install lines and draw system down) to include photos I hope. Looks very simple to me. Wish me luck, I can tear up anything.

Eddie
 
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Even tho Eddie already has received his systems, I'll add some more info that'll be here for future searches.

A couple of months AFTER I installed our Sanyo, I read a review in Consumer Reports about mini-splits. They only mentioned three brands, and specifically how the Sanyo units were excellent in brown-outs. If you read that thread I linked to, I mention that I had some power problems... i.e., "not enough". The inverter I hooked it to was at its limits during those times the Sanyo was at it's max, and turning on a computer or my bathroom lights would cause a quick brown-out. Enough so that my satellite receiver and TV would wink-off and restart. The Sanyo would just wink-off then go to low speed and stay there. I'd have to switch off power before it would operate normally again.

(I've since installed a larger inverter for that circuit and now there are no more power problems)

The Sanyo "brains" are in the remote, not the unit. Because of that, power problems don't affect those sensitive circuit boards.

The Sanyo is an "inverter" model (confusing to some because it's being powered by an inverter also). That means it takes the AC voltage input and converts it to DC, so power problems have a "buffer", so to speak.

Then it uses an internal inverter to convert the DC to a varying AC, according to the load. When it first starts (whether cooling or heating) it runs the compressor VERY slow, building up to the desired output over at least 5 minutes. It's so slow and quiet that you have to hold your hand in the air stream to verify it's even running. The outside unit is the same... difficult to even know it's running at all without seeing the fan turn.

These features are a main reason the units are especially suited for us "off-grid" folks. "Soft-start" doesn't even do justice to how slow the load builds.

Also, they are designed to KEEP a room (or house) cool, not so much to cool down a warm home. We have the timer (in the remote control) start it cooling at 1PM and even on the 95+ days, it'll use only about 300 watts keeping the house 74F.

At FULL cool or heat it uses 1600 watts, but never stays at that high of consumption for long-- unless it's late afternoon and over 100F outside.

I did the entire install. It cost me $100 to get a vacuum pump, R410A fittings and gauge and oil from eBay. Some companies state you don't need to evacuate the system since the R410A comes precharged (and I have a friend that has three, none of which were evacuated at installation). Also, you can change a valve position, suck all the R410A back into the unit so the pipes or air handler can be removed.

Pretty incredible unit IMO, but then we were using swamp coolers, and (being off-grid) WEREN'T leaving them on unless we were home. 100 degrees outside? We'd get home and it'd be 100 inside too, if not more. Getting home to a cool house was worth the unit, new inverter, another bank of solar panels and the assorted wiring and controllers.

We feel like we joined the 21st century!!

Phil
 
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We have a Carrier unit we purchased in 2000. I think it was made in Japan. It was professionally installed by a local company. It has worked great except for the time lightning smoked a circuit pack. The local company was able to replace the circuit pack quickly.

Our house is on a crawl-space foundation. the mini-split serves a 600 sq. ft. "bonus" room on the second floor. The installers punched a hole in the foundation wall directly behind the outside box. They ran the plumbing through the crawl-space and up through a first floor closet and out into the attic by the "bonus" room.
 
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I am posting this as possible help for TBNers considering mini-splits for future projects.

Apparently LG treats it's service dealers badly on warranty work so none want to do that work.

I have found a service man that will work on out of warranty units. He is coming by this afternoon to see if he can solve the problems.

I downloaded a copy of the service manual and my son and I spent most of the weekend trying to find the problem. We are both physicists and know our way around electronics but that manual was very confusing at best.

I will say DO NOT BUY LG :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Vernon
 
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It's good to see this post on the mini-splits. I'm planning to put a heat pump mini-split in the workshop that I'm turning into living quarters. I was looking at a 18000 btu model, Mitsubishi, Samsung or LG. Any brands that anyone recommends?

I have three Friedrich units -- all are heat pumps -- installed at weekend offgrid/solar "cabin". The first two were made in Japan (!) and use R-22, the last one was made in China and uses R-410. I have had the first two for about 5 years and the third was added just last year. So far, I am very pleased with them, no issues, well made, especially the two made in Japan.

I do like the idea of the Sanyo's "very soft start" on offgrid/inverter system.
 

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