DS4110 vs DK40SE

[blucoondawg]

I've narrowed my search down to these 2 models in a gear tranny, I just don't see the sense in going with the smaller CK35 size when for a little more money I can get so much more tractor/loader. My question is what are your opinions on these 2 models, I have seen a lot of recommendation to the DK on here but I haven't read much on the DS series. I am not a farmer so I won't be doing a ton of 3 point work, tilling and maybe a post hole digger would be about it, I see the differences seem to be the DS doesn't have the telescoping 3pt, doesn't have the fender mount loader control, and has a constant mesh 8 spd tranny rather than the synchro 12 sp of the DK. I will be doing mostly loader/backhoe, tilling, post hole drill and drawbar type pulling/skidding out trees, not alot of 3pt work other than that, what are the big differences between the 2 trannys? What do you think of the DS 4110?

 

[IndyIan]

Go try a DS4110 and pretend to do some loader work in the dealers parking lot. I did and didn't really like it much. Also if you are tilling, confirm you ca go slow enough on the DS. They have a creeper option I believe. I thought the DK with hst was worth the price difference and for tricky loader work the hst is very very nice!

 

[blucoondawg]

I didn't think about the minimum speed aspect of it, online specs show the DS at a min speed of 1.09 mph and the DK at .9 mph so the DK gear is able to go slower, though the hydro could creep along even slower. I just was looking at gear to save money, also I was told you lose power with the hydro and gear is more reliable and hydros are expensive to repair if something breaks down, I do not have any experience with owning hydro equipment so I don't know how true any of this is.

 

[VictorW]

I read your previous post and you seem against the hydro which is fine. Yes, it costs more to buy and repair if that would occur. You also lose pto and possibly some pulling power. A gear pulls until the engine stalls where the hydro can, at times, slip a little. The hydro likes the engine running at a minimum of 2000rpm to do serious work. The hydro has a dedicated oil filter just for itself and they are @$85 which replacement occurs every 200 hours in addition to the standard hydraulic oil filter that handles the rest of the hydraulic oil flow for 3pt, loader, etc. The hydro is a little easier for loader work but you say you are used to a clutch and would rather go gear. The DS is a good tractor without some of the goodies of the DK as you have noticed. But by your numbers, I'd spend the extra $900 and get the DK that has the synchro tranny and four more speeds. Nicer for loader work and I'm sure you can find a gear that would do whatever job you have. The telescoping 3pt arms are nice once you start using them. I would also think that for the $900 extra up front, you would have a better resale years down the line because of the differences between the DK and DS. I have the CK30hst hydro but use the loader a good bit and my wife doesn't like a clutch so my selection was limited.

 

[dennis52]

Have had my DS4510 for about 14months and 300 hours, worked it very hard on a whole range of jobs and am very happy with it's performance.

I prefer a gear tractor for my needs and do not do a lot of work in confined spaces. Would however recommend the hydraulic shuttle shift.

If you need HST and are happy to pay for it then I am sure you will also be very happy. You will also get a few creature comforts thrown in.

If the gear model DK is only $900 more than the DS them that is probably also worth considering.

Pricing structures, options and models vary in Australia to USA

Whatever, you will get good value for your dollar buying Kioti.

 

[blucoondawg]

I am not completely against a hydro I just don't think it's so much something I need for the extra cost, and I don't want to lose pulling power, I am not concerned about trade in value, this is sort of a once in a lifetime purchase for me, tractors last a long time if taken care of an I am not a farmer who is going to put mega hours on it so I plan to have it forever, that is why I decided to look to the bigger tractor in the 40hp rather than the ck35 or 30 which I was looking at, I figured I would end up wanting to go bigger eventually anyways and the cost difference isn't tremendous to go bigger. How does the forward/reverse shifter work on the DS series? Is it something that you have to clutch and come to a complete stop before changing direction like with the gears or can it be done rolling? I agree also that the 900 more is probably worth it to get the nicer features of the DK, I may drive down tomorrow and have a look at the DS, they don't have a DK on the lot so maybe I'll check out the DK35 they have just to compare the ergonomics

 

[dennis52]

I am not completely against a hydro I just don't think it's so much something I need for the extra cost, and I don't want to lose pulling power, I am not concerned about trade in value, this is sort of a once in a lifetime purchase for me, tractors last a long time if taken care of an I am not a farmer who is going to put mega hours on it so I plan to have it forever, that is why I decided to look to the bigger tractor in the 40hp rather than the ck35 or 30 which I was looking at, I figured I would end up wanting to go bigger eventually anyways and the cost difference isn't tremendous to go bigger. How does the forward/reverse shifter work on the DS series? Is it something that you have to clutch and come to a complete stop before changing direction like with the gears or can it be done rolling? I agree also that the 900 more is probably worth it to get the nicer features of the DK, I may drive down tomorrow and have a look at the DS, they don't have a DK on the lot so maybe I'll check out the DK35 they have just to compare the ergonomics

With the hydraulic shuttle shift you do not have to use the foot clutch to change between forward and reverse, with the manual shuttle you do.
You don't have to come to a complete halt but a slow roll to take the load off the clutch.
You do use the foot clutch to change up and down gears and the tractor has to stop to do this. With the DK 40 synchromesh gearbox this may not be the case (but worth double checking that it applies to all gears and the 3 ranges)

However I mostly do not have to change up or down as I only use low range anyway and even top gear in the low range will easily power you quickly up steep hills without hesitation. Once in a forward gear I just stay in it most of the time.

Also compare the toolboxes behind the seat !

 

[blucoondawg]

Do you know does the DK also have the hydraulic shuttle? I would much prefer that the having to clutch to change direction every time, that type of shuttle is what I'm used to on our tractor backhoes at work, no clutch just flip the lever and back up, as far as I'm concerned if you are used to using it it's just as good for loader work as hydro. Having to clutch every time would be a pain.

 

[dennis52]

Do you know does the DK also have the hydraulic shuttle? I would much prefer that the having to clutch to change direction every time, that type of shuttle is what I'm used to on our tractor backhoes at work, no clutch just flip the lever and back up, as far as I'm concerned if you are used to using it it's just as good for loader work as hydro. Having to clutch every time would be a pain.

Not sure whether DK comes with a regular shuttle or a hydraulic shuttle

 

[DK35vince]

The DK has a syncronized shuttle and main transmission. You can foward/reverse whithout coming to a complete stop and you can shift through the gears on the go.
But you do need to use the cluch to shift.
Not sure how the DS works but according to the website there are 2 versions of the 4110. The DS4110 non sycronized with dry clutch and the DS 4110hs with sycronized hydraulic clutch.
Personally for $900 more I would go with the DK. It has a lot more nice standand features.
Rear remotes, extendable lower link arms, suspension seat, skid steer style QA, Etc.