Downsizing, maybe? Help me out

[RyeThomas]

So here is the delima, I have a John Deere 4510 with a 460 loader. It has been my dream machine, I hit a homerun and it only had 170 hours when I purchased it.
Issue is I have 1.33 acres, lol. Now before you jump on me I use it for side work, bushog work (not much), a good deal of firewood and tree work, along with some chipping. The tree work is where it makes it makes´ money and shines. The 460 loader lifts everything easily well above my dump trailer sides and deck over.

Problem is I like the size of the frame size down for my lot. I have a 4310 but the 420 loader is a bit light and short for my dump trailer. I had a newer 3032e but the 305 loader was very anemic.

So in my head a 4410 with a 430 loader would be a perfect compromise. I know for most of you the 4400 series vs the 4500 series is not a big deal and while I love my 4510 it is a much larger machine.

That said I have the truck and trailer to haul my 4510 no problem, so at the end of the day is bigger better having all the capabilities you could ever need?

I really like the frame size down for yard work but hate the weak loaders. That 305 is terrible.

 

[RyeThomas]

I’m not super brand specific. I want the highest lift height, highest break out and lift capacity, in a tractor that’s not as big as my 4510. That said it’s so good maybe I should just get R4 tires vs my R1 and run it all over my yard, lol.

My other must is it must have at minimum 30 PTO hp...

 

[RyeThomas]

Loader type: John Deere 460 on the 4510
Height (to pin): 112 inches [284 cm]
Clearance, dumped bucket: 89 inches [226 cm]
Dump reach: 27 inches [68 cm]
Dump angle: 45
Reach at ground: 62 inches [157 cm]
Rollback angle: 30
Breakout force (at pin): 3863 lbs [1752 kg]
Breakout force (at 500mm): 2929 lbs [1328 kg]
Lift to full height (at pin): 2330 lbs [1056 kg]
Lift to full height (at 500mm): 1705 lbs [773 kg]
Raise time to height:

 

[RyeThomas]

Dimensions 4510
10.00-16.5 (4WD)
Industrial rear: 17.5L-24


Dimensions:
Weight (shipping): 3,450 lbs [1564 kg]
Wheelbase: 71.5 inches [181 cm]
Length: 135 inches [342 cm]
Width: 62 inches [157 cm] (min)
Height (hood): 51 inches [129 cm]
Height (ROPS): 91.6 inches [232 cm]
97.6 inches [247 cm] (folding)

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[RyeThomas]

With the loader and loaded tires R1, I’m guesstimating it’s 5000lbs.

 

[RyeThomas]

The problem is the size down with the 430 loader is as follows

On the smaller 4310/4410

Loader type: John Deere 430
Height (to pin): 101.4 inches [257 cm]
Clearance, dumped bucket: 78.3 inches [198 cm]
Dump reach: 26 inches [66 cm]
Dump angle: 45
Reach at ground: 57.5 inches [146 cm]
Rollback angle: 30
Breakout force (at pin): 3299 lbs [1496 kg]
Breakout force (at 500mm): 2417 lbs [1096 kg]
Lift to full height (at pin): 1261 lbs [571 kg]
Lift to full height (at 500mm):

 

[RyeThomas]

The 4510 before widening out the tires and new hood and side panels. Big thumbs up from the boy!

 

[RyeThomas]

From left to right, 4510, 4310, 3032e. Thats ´ at full height and a bit deceiving as Im on the right and the grade slopes from R-L. The 4510 is much higher.

 

[RyeThomas]

Truck and trailer can handle her no problem.


Sorry for the novel, I am bored and the kids are watching a movie. Haha.

 

[BMan2005]

What exactly is it you're looking for opinions on? Can only keep one and looking for opinions? Or can you keep a small compact for yard maintenance and the larger tractor for your jobs?

Personally if you run a business using the 4510 and it's the best size for what you do keep it. But if you can only have one and need one to work around the house and run your business then that opens up alot of options.

Needing to understand what you are trying to accomplish here to better understand how to reply to your question.