Does Grubbing Mesquite Work?

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I have 3 old fields that have mesquite starting to take over. Fields haven't been in production for over 10 yrs and mesquites are about 4-10' tall.

Does grubbing kill it for good or will it just cause the root to sprout back with avengence? If it does kill it, is it depth dependent? Do I need to spray in addition to grubbing?

TIA!

J
 
   / Does Grubbing Mesquite Work? #2  
Getting it out by the roots should kill it. Of course, other beans that get turned over or small mesquites you missed, will help it take over again.

I suggest getting them out and then mowing as low as you can to get any young ones. You may have to mow a couple of times before you kill it but the roots can only hold so much energy for regeneration before they give up and die.

Using an excavator will probably turn over the soil less.
 
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This question comes up every year.

Mesquite « Texas Natural Resources Server

The above is the only way to get rid of mesquite, IMHO. I have used their formula for both Reclaim and Remedy...with great success. Now is the time of year to use these products.

Yes, getting the plant out by the roots (not cutting off at ground level) will work...BUT ONLY IF YOU GET ALL ROOT BUDS OUT OF THE GROUND...AND THEY GO DOWN A FOOT OR MORE ALONG EACH ROOT.

I have lots of experience, over years, with eradication of mesquite exactly like you say you have. For me, mechanical removal was beyond the equipment I had, thus herbicide was my only option. And, it's a continual battle since beans will be dormant for 15 or so years and then sprout.
 
   / Does Grubbing Mesquite Work?
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Thanks texasjohn! So do you think this will do any good?
Jones Machine Shop

Medium size, 27" blade, is said to be for 40-80hp.

Thx
 
   / Does Grubbing Mesquite Work? #7  
Yes, that underground blade will do the trick assuming you have the horsepower to pull it thru your soil. Only you know if you have sandy or black land or rocks, etc...and can get to the mesquite you need to get to with your equipment. One advantage of a spray rig is that it goes anywhere a hose will go. I would think you would want something in the range of 65 hp or up...just kinda guessing...you are going to need lots of traction...any chance you can try several different sizes to see which works best for your conditions??

You said you have 10 ft tall mesquites.... I am not sure how these will flow thru the blade....will they get tangled up and you have to back up/get off tractor to get them loose?? You will need to run the blade about a foot deep and hopefully soil conditions will allow roots to pull out some rather than just cut off the root. This will address the root bud problem I mentioned.

Then, how are you going to avoid flats??

Yes, you will also need a spray rig...for those you can't get to, and those which come up after grubbing, and those you spot and don't want to re install the grubber at that moment. And, there will be a lot of these. You just gotta plan for a several year program....think at least 5 years.

Hmm...I see you have a L5240...about what I have...again, I think you should really find a way to try out the blade on your tractor to see how it works for your conditions of soil and trees. Also, I worry a little about you driving over the bigger trees and having them punch into some underpart of the tractor...the hydraulic filters, for example, are exposed, maybe other stuff, wires, etc.....It feels like you are on the lower end of the horsepower needed for your larger trees...but a trial would tell the tale.
 
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Great input, thank you!

Yeah, I've got concerns about the underbelly and getting flats.... Was considering chainsawing the taller ones and grubbing the smaller stubbs but that may result in more work than just spraying.

The fields are rather soft and have been plowed with terrace berms here and there.

Looking across the fields as the mesquite are starting to leaf out looks a little undaunting, couple hundred.... Was thinking it would be easier to sit in the a/c cab than running around spraying everything but maybe not.

I have a 25gal spray tank with booms/wand sprayer Ive used around my main house so I might try that out, remedy/reclaim ain't cheap stuff....

This guys shop is in Vernon so it's about a 2hr drive, I may see if he has any I can try and he does state a satisfaction guarantee.
 
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The only reason to grub mesquite is to get rid of the brush in a short time so you can further plow/plant the field.

If you are not going to do this, then, by far, the cheapest approach is to use spray. The time involved and fuel for tractor is vastly less than a grubbing approach. And, if you already have a spray rig, then you also save the cost of purchasing the grubber. If you spray, under optimal conditions, you can get about a 90% kill rate every time you spray. So, make a round, wait a couple of weeks and see which plants you missed and make another round, repeat. The following year, repeat. If you use a foliar spray, you MUST get EVERY branch/set of leaves sprayed. If you miss a branch, the following year all the plant will be dead EXCEPT that branch and its related roots...so just spray it again.

The basal spray method works very well on the size trees you have as long as the bark is smooth...but you must spray ALL around EACH trunk, regardless of size, for about a vertical foot near the ground.

Foliar spray should be done just after the leaves turn from "new" green to the dark green...at this point the roots are replenishing their resources and spray is most easily absorbed and transported to the root system.

I've used both spray systems with excellent results...it is clear that careful and complete application is the secret. Get sloppy, you get erratic results. I have found a hand wand to be the best for spraying...can be precise in placing the spray, and puts expensive spray exactly where you want it...minimum lost spray.

If you, truly, have only a couple hundred plants, the spray approach would definitely be my recommendation, as long as you don't need an immediate clean field. I fear you may have under estimated the actual number.
 
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Thanks John! Yeah, I'll bet you're right....I'm sure I have 2x or 3x the number... Man they're evasive...

Spraying seems like the best route... I'm not planning on putting the fields in production anytime soon, maybe a few smaller food plots, just want to keep from being taken completely over by mesquites. Would love to get several hundred live oaks planted around the perimeter but the drought has taken a toll and haven't figured out how to get that started yet.

J
 

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