Difference between 1 pt and 3 pt attachments

gusg · Nov 10, 2005

I have never seen what the difference between the two are. I am looking for a 5' landscape rake and have seen a 1 pt and a 3 pt from AgriSupply. There is a $5 difference between the two but the 3 pt is not in stock.

What is the definition/differences of the two? Also has anyone purchased equipment from AgriSupply and know who makes their attachments? Thanks.

greg_g · Nov 10, 2005

One point types are to be towed only, they support themselves on wheels/tires. Usually pulled behind riding mowers, garden tractors, and/or ATVs. Raising/lowering/tilt/indexing often requires a tool box. Construction is usually (very) light duty.

Three point types are physically attached to the three point hitch (lifting) mechanisms at the back of tractors, regardless if they have wheels attached or not. Implements are raised and lowered by the tractor hydraulics, tilted by the tractor toplink, indexed usually with a long hitch pin. Construction ranges from light duty to heavy duty.

In the case of the two 5' rakes at Agri-Supply, it's hard to tell much about them. Pretty uninformative, especially with the same photo used over and over. Pretty sure the brand pictured is a Howse, but that doesn't guarantee who made anything else on that page.

//greg//

BB_TX · Nov 10, 2005

I will agree and disagree with greg_g. The 1 pt attachments hook to the drawbar and pull like a trailer. The 3 pt attachments attach to the 3 pt hitch. The 3 pt attachments can be lifted off the ground by the 3 pt hitch, whereas the 1 pt can't.
Now. There are light duty 1 pt implements. But also the largest, heaviest implements are typically 1 pt since they are too heavy for the 3 pt. Large bat wing rotary cutters, hay balers, MO-COs, etc. are a good examples.
The picture they show for the 1 pt rake is the same picture as the 3 pt. The attachment would actually be different.

73jeep · Nov 10, 2005

Is a sleeve-hitch used on some small lawn/garden tractors considered a 1 pt hitch?

BB_TX · Nov 10, 2005

I suppose anything that connects at a single point and pulls behind like a trailer could be considered a 1 pt implement.

greg_g · Nov 10, 2005

( There are light duty 1 pt implements. But also the largest, heaviest implements are typically 1 pt since they are too heavy for the 3 pt. Large bat wing rotary cutters, hay balers, MO-COs, etc. are a good examples. )

You're splitting hairs. Try operating a "Large bat wing rotary cutters, hay balers, MO-COs, etc. " behind a riding mower/garden tractor/ATV. The difference is STILL hydraulics (and PTO). Not one of those drawbar implements you listed functions properly till the either remotes (or the PTO) are hooked up.

//greg//

BB_TX · Nov 10, 2005

You can have hydraulics on a 3 pt implement. That doesn't change the fact that it is 3 pt implement. Same with an implement that attaches at a single point. Light duty 1 pt implements would likely use a hand lever to operate/adjust. Heavy duty 1 pt implements would use hydraulics. Both 3 pt and 1 pt implements may or may not have a PTO connection.

greg_g · Nov 10, 2005

( You can have hydraulics on a 3 pt implement.)

Of course you can. Good grief.
But if you keep wandering down side streets here, you're gonna scare off poor Gus.
All he wants to do is buy a landscape rake.

Gus - look HERE and HERE to see what a 5' one point landscape rake looks like

//greg//

73jeep · Nov 10, 2005

Here's a pic of a 1 pt attachment, but I'm not sure how well Gus' B7510 can work it. here
Sorry, I couldn't resist!

greg_g · Nov 10, 2005

( Here's a pic of a 1 pt attachment, ...Sorry, I couldn't resist! )

Neither can I. Count the hydraulic hoses and it's not a " 1 pt attachment " at all.

Poor Gus.

//greg//

BB_TX · Nov 11, 2005

My only point was that 1 pt implements can range from the lightest to the heaviest. Some manufacturers make rotary cutters in the 6'-7' range that come in both 3 pt or 1 pt (pull behind) because some people prefer one vs the other. And there are no hydraulics on those. Simply because a 1pt implement has 4 hydraulic hoses, it doesn't become a 5 pt implement.

greg_g · Nov 11, 2005

( My only point ... )

I wish.....

Gus - are you still with us?

//greg//

BB_TX · Nov 11, 2005

Don't really understand why you are having such a hard time grasping the fact that 1 pt implements are not necessarily light duty. The rakes Gus referenced in his post were certainly not designed for lawn tractors and ATVs. I agree the ones you provided links to are designed for that purpose.

73jeep · Nov 11, 2005

Now I'm confused! When I looked up the agri-supply landscape rake to see for myself, the example picture sure looks like a 3 pt, but is labeled as a 1 pt. Click HERE to see.

greg_g · Nov 11, 2005

( The rakes Gus referenced in his post were certainly not designed for lawn tractors and ATVs. I agree the ones you provided links to are designed for that purpose. )

The photo of the AgriSupply 3 point is obviously a tractor-rated (TPH) implement. The heavy duty one-point stuff is simply distracting. The problem at hand is that there isn't enough information yet to be able to determine if the $330 AgriSupply one-point landscape rake is anything other than a lawn tool. Gus's opening (and only) question is what's the difference between (the AgriSuppl) 1-point and 3-point implements. Would have been nice if you could have left it at that.

//greg//

BB_TX · Nov 11, 2005

Sorry. You are right. I am wrong. 1 pt implements are (very) light duty and designed for lawn/garden tractors and ATVs. I bow to you. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

JerryG · Nov 11, 2005

I have watched this thread for the last two days and thought that someone would stumble across what a tractor size one point hitch was. one point hitch

rambler · Nov 15, 2005

( I have watched this thread for the last two days and thought that someone would stumble across what a tractor size one point hitch was. one point hitch )

Ah, now that looks like a one-point hitch. As a farmer, I'm familiar with these from the looks anyhow. In the mid 1950's, IHC came out with their 2-point & 1-point Fast Hitch design. The 1-point was for Cub sized tractors. Didn't know anyone was still building for this type of hitch, if that is what your link is? There is no top link, hence the 1 or 2 point designation. I held my tongue, as frequently folks here don't like to be bothered with agricultural references, but that sure looks like it.

I've also heard of the garden tractor designation of a weak one point hitch, but not sure what that means for design. or if the same thing.

--->Paul

daTeacha · Nov 16, 2005

Now I realize I'm a little late to this party, and correct me if I'm wrong, but prior to the 8N and tractors of that ilk, weren't all implements just something pulled along by hitching them to the tractor at just one point? They got any mechanical parts moving with gears, chains, pulleys, etc. that relied on the ground wheels turning as the thing was pulled along.

Living in Amish country, I see a lot of one point equipement pulled by Amish "tractors" of 2 to 6 horsepower. The horsepower is big, usually coming in around 1800 lb. per horse. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif "Tractor", by the way, is also used around here to mean the front i.e. pulling, section of a large truck. the other part is the semi-trailer, as licensed by the state.

Seriously, if this discussion is to have any real value, I think everyone has to agree on what is meant by "hitch". Is it just the way the implement is moved from one location to another by the tractor, or is it any connection to the tractor? Some implements can be PTO driven, some hydraulic, and some a combination, using the hydraulics to fold and unfold stuff while the PTO shaft provides a mechanical rather than hydraulic drive to perform whatever operation the implement is supposed to do and a drawbar of some kind makes sure the thing follows the tractor, more or less.

Using the idea that "hitch" means any connection to the tractor, a large implement such as the one posted would have at least 4 points -- the drawbar, the PTO shaft, and at least two hydraulic lines. If the lift arms were also use to help position it, there could be 6. My bush hog would be a 4 point attachment since it uses two lift arms and a top link to position it properly behind the tractor and the PTO shaft to spin the blades around. You'd have a hard time convincing anyone selling the things that it had a 4 point attachment though, so I think I'll interpret the question Gus had as being in reference to how a thing connects to the tractor so it can move with the tractor and figure that the way any power to make it do anything else is a connection, not a hitch.