Oil & Fuel Diesel fuel additives

[LouNY]

Attached is a test report from over ten years ago about additives for ULSD, I would like to find a newer study done the same way, anyone have one?
http://jatonkam35s.com/DeuceTechnicalManuals/Diesel_fuel_additive_test.pdf
I believe that I have seen one somewhere that is more current
I found it to be an interesting read.
Lou

 

[TomIre]

I haven't seen a newer study but must be one out there! I use Diesel Power Clean + Cetane Boost - recommended by Cummins.

 

[RalphVa]

Our generally preferred (before this study) PS didn't come out too well.

Ralph

 

[atsah]

I don't have one handy but the Lucus and Ford cetane boost ranked well in the one I read recently, I use both year round, Seem to work well for me even at 0F..

 

[jaydee325]

I've never used diesel fuel additives, and never have had a problem.

Local fuel distributors (SW Michigan) blend for winter, so I don't waste my money.:2cents:

 

[atsah]

The winter fuel is blended here as well but a few years back I was moving snow banks in -10F temps and she jelled on me. I added Lucus from that point on, been out in the same temps, no issues.. It's not a waste of money, jelling and crystallizing fuel filters that have to be changed is a pain in the butt at -10F.. A $7.00 bottle treats 200 gallons of diesel fuel, the bottle lasts most people at least a year and probably close to two years for many others, cheap insurance..

 

[Agvg]

What is the difference between diesel in Europe and the US?

 

[newbury]

What is the difference between diesel in Europe and the US?

Obviously you didn't bother to read the link.

The U.S. standard for diesel fuel says a commercially available diesel fuelshould produce a wear scar of no greater than 520 microns.The Engine Manufacturers Association had requested a standard of awear scar no greater than 460 microns, typical of the pre-ULSD fuels.Most experts agree that a 520 micron standard is adequate, but also thatthe lower the wear scar the better.

We leave bigger particles in.

 

[shooterdon]

Got to -35 a couple of years ago and fuel in my dually gelled. A real PITA.

Like atsah said....cheap insurance in my mind.

 

[iflywhatevr]

I use the Optilube XPD any time there is risk if temps falling near freezing and the Optilube Summer the rest of the year. Works well for me and the Optilube did great on many of those wear test studies.

 

[Texasmark]

I use Power Services products for all the reasons written on the containers. I just don't have fuel or equipment fuel associated components (every place fuel goes before and after burning) problems. Gives me peace of mind and that is priceless!!!!!

 

[Texasmark]

Obviously you didn't bother to read the link.

We leave bigger particles in.

For those never exposed to the subject, OTR diesel trucks run a million miles regularly. I had one 1979 International cabover, 800 cu in, 400 hp, Big Cam Cummins with over a million with 1 inframe overhaul. Large OTR trucking companies trade in their trucks at around 450,000 miles and out they go to small time operators, lots of rock bucket towers, for another 500,000 without a wrench on the engine proper. Most run oil quality tests and don't change oil till the test fails a certain criteria.....for you 3000 mile oil change folks.

Even if you take a very conservative 50 mph and that doesn't include the OTR trucker leaving his rig running all night at the truck stop in cold weather, you are looking at 500,000 miles/50 mph = 10,000 hours without overhaul ready for another 10,000 from a small time operator with maybe 1 inframe overhaul.

How many of you guys are going to run your tractor 10,000 hours? If you are a BTO (big time operator) you probably will but you will also have a big shop, lots of helpers and all the resources to put it back in service for another 10,000 and you can write all that off your income taxes.
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You know, they put idiot lights on dashboards of most consumer type vehicles so that the owners "can worry about something else" instead of getting hung up on whether the needle is at 12 o'clock or 12:30 o'clock!!!!!!!!!! (yes and they are cheaper to produce than gauges)

 

[FTG-05]

For those never exposed to the subject, OTR diesel trucks run a million miles regularly. I had one 1979 International cabover, 800 cu in, 400 hp, Big Cam Cummins with over a million with 1 inframe overhaul. Large OTR trucking companies trade in their trucks at around 450,000 miles and out they go to small time operators, lots of rock bucket towers, for another 500,000 without a wrench on the engine proper. Most run oil quality tests and don't change oil till the test fails a certain criteria.....for you 3000 mile oil change folks.

Even if you take a very conservative 50 mph and that doesn't include the OTR trucker leaving his rig running all night at the truck stop in cold weather, you are looking at 500,000 miles/50 mph = 10,000 hours without overhaul ready for another 10,000 from a small time operator with maybe 1 inframe overhaul.

How many of you guys are going to run your tractor 10,000 hours? If you are a BTO (big time operator) you probably will but you will also have a big shop, lots of helpers and all the resources to put it back in service for another 10,000 and you can write all that off your income taxes.
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You know, they put idiot lights on dashboards of most consumer type vehicles so that the owners "can worry about something else" instead of getting hung up on whether the needle is at 12 o'clock or 12:30 o'clock!!!!!!!!!! (yes and they are cheaper to produce than gauges)

What's your point?

I live in SC TN, hence no real gelling issues here, thank God. For lubricity, I used the Walmart blue 2 cycle TC-3W or whatever it's called. Don't put it in every time. No injector problems yet.

 

[Texasmark]

What's your point?

I live in SC TN, hence no real gelling issues here, thank God. For lubricity, I used the Walmart blue 2 cycle TC-3W or whatever it's called. Don't put it in every time. No injector problems yet.

The point is that there are other things to worry about than this subject matter within bounds. The posts are on here all the time about "best" this and "best" that, where do I find abc, on and on. If it really mattered, like the cases referenced, they so be it. But for most of us every day type folks, you are wasting your money. Since you come on here asking for advice, you make it OUR business, not MINDING YOUR business.

 

[atsah]

The point is that there are other things to worry about than this subject matter within bounds. The posts are on here all the time about "best" this and "best" that, where do I find abc, on and on. If it really mattered, like the cases referenced, they so be it. But for most of us every day type folks, you are wasting your money. Since you come on here asking for advice, you make it OUR business, not MINDING YOUR business.

I don't understand your post, are saying additives are a waste of money for most people? I'm just wondering because if that's the case, if you live in Texas you don't need additives, if you lived in a location like a lot of us do, you know where it gets to be -10 for daytime highs for weeks on end you would be changing a lot of frozen fuel filters with frozen gloves on without a anti gel additive..

 

[ruffdog]

I've never used diesel fuel additives, and never have had a problem.

Local fuel distributors (SW Michigan) blend for winter, so I don't waste my money.:2cents:

I have read in the past that many upper midwest states don't have "blended" fuels but have fuel with anti gelling "additive". So, I looked at the site I get off road diesel from and seen that they don't blend, but instead use additive. Below 30F, they use additive at 1:3000 ratio. Below 0F, they use a 1:2000 ratio.

Mobile Refueling - Winter Fuel - Quick Fuel Fleet Services

 

[shooterdon]

Maybe I am a scaredy-cat. In my new to me JD that is 30 years old, I plan on not only adding the PS anti-gel but their biocide and cleaner additives as well. I will have fuel sitting for extended periods, so I am not taking any chances. It may be a waste of money but it gives me piece of mind. I use Stabil and/or Seafoam in my gasoline storage tank and may put it in the diesel as well

 

[crashz]

Unless you need the biocide, I wouldn't use it. I did a preventive treatment last year, and even though I ran a full tank through, the biocide caused gelling even with anti-gel additive (Stabil brand).

But for an older diesel, a additive that does some lube, anti-gel and cetane improver is good to use. I usually use Howes or Power Service. I occasionally think about adding 2 cycle oil, but forget about it when I go to fill up.

 

[coobie]

Maybe I am a scaredy-cat. In my new to me JD that is 30 years old, I plan on not only adding the PS anti-gel but their biocide and cleaner additives as well. I will have fuel sitting for extended periods, so I am not taking any chances. It may be a waste of money but it gives me piece of mind. I use Stabil and/or Seafoam in my gasoline storage tank and may put it in the diesel as well

I use both in my 300 gal. diesel tank and never had any issues..

 

[shooterdon]

Unless you need the biocide, I wouldn't use it. I did a preventive treatment last year, and even though I ran a full tank through, the biocide caused gelling even with anti-gel additive (Stabil brand).

But for an older diesel, a additive that does some lube, anti-gel and cetane improver is good to use. I usually use Howes or Power Service. I occasionally think about adding 2 cycle oil, but forget about it when I go to fill up.

Hard to believe 1oz of biocide in 10 gal would contribute to gelling.