Deere 4310 or Kubota L3130 ?

   / Deere 4310 or Kubota L3130 ? #1  

Dave___in___CT

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Kubota L3130, LA723 Loader, BH90 Backhoe, Curtis Cab, || '82 Gravely 8199KT garden tractor
Hi folks...


Will you help me decide between these 2 tractors... ? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

There's gotta be more than I read about in the literature... or the limited test drives I did...

Pro's... con's... +++'s... ---'s... experiences... opinions...
Like... performance... quality... ergonomics... quirks... problems...


Deere 4310:
4WD
12x12 ePowerReverser transmission
430 loader (heavier duty) with 73" HD bucket & replaceable cutting edge
48 8 1/2' backhoe with 18" bucket
Curtis Cab with heater & 4 lights


Kubota L3130
4WD
8-speed full-sync transmission with shuttle shift
LA723 loader (heavier duty) with 72" L2440 HD bucket with skid-steer compatible quick-detach & replaceable cutting edge
BH90 9' backhoe with 18" bucket
Curtis Cab with heater & 4 lights



Thanks...


Dave...
 
   / Deere 4310 or Kubota L3130 ? #2  
Dave,

I can't comment on the 3130, but I did just buy the 3430 HST, loader and backhoe, which is essentially the same setup with a different tranny and +4 hp....

I love everthing about this setup with only a few petty complaints...

#1..I don't know about all Kubota's, but after using larger tractors in farming the last few years...the pin in the top link hole is pretty cramped and hard to get in or out sometimes if things don't exactly line up....those 3 pt cylinders make it fairly crowded

#2..I wish I had saved the $300 and not put the "Quick Attach" on the loader...I have several different attachments for my Skid Steer and most of them weigh 900-1200 lbs...doesn't leave much left over for the loader to lift...plus, attachments with the "Quick Attach" will cost several hundred dollars more than the same ones with the loader pin mounts.
It is handy however to switch between the bucket and the forks in about 15 seconds!!!! Your mileage may vary....

3. I also wish I had got the frame mount instead of the 3pt for the backhoe....digging out stumps and rocks makes the hoe ride like a roller coaster and makes strange noises on the 3pt arms when the torque really gets going!!!

I do love the way this tractor rides, handles and pulls though...the tilt wheel makes bushhogging/raking hay a pleasure...just rear back in the tilt seat with arm rests, set the cruise control and watch the world go by...wish "barley pop" wasn't a no-no when riding!!!!

I looked at the 3130 GST but it had ag tires on it, I wanted the industrials so my dealer made me a deal on the 3430 HST with industrial tires on it that I couldn't refuse...85 hours and counting, I haven't looked back since.

Hope this helps

GareyD in NW Georgia
 
   / Deere 4310 or Kubota L3130 ? #3  
Garey,
Where in Northwest Ga. do you live? I also live in Northwest Ga. I live in Murray Co. Ga.


As far as the posting I'm not sure if anyone is interested or not but I talked to someone who wants to sell his Kubota L3000DT with a FEL and a RFM. It has only 17hrs on it.He is asking 16,000. He said he wants a smaller tractor. If your interested E-mail me.
Donny /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / Deere 4310 or Kubota L3130 ? #4  
I can't speak about the 4310.. but I have just about everything you are looking for on the L3130. I would recommend an HST tranny with that loader. I was looking for the shuttle shift myself and the dealer talked me into the HST.. he was right.. it makes driving into a pile a breeze.

The BH90 can be a pain in the butt to get back on.. (comes off real easy for me).. Lining it up and all.. but it's hands down better than the 3pt hoes.. stronger.. better reach.. sturdy. Just remember.. if you take it off.. make sure it's sitting on firm ground or blacktop/concrete. Otherwise you can multiply what I said about getting it back on by 5.

I have no complaints about the machine. I had some minor hydraulic leaks associated with the loader right after I got it.. but they were easily fixed.

About the only thing I didn't anticipate is the size and weight of the machine with the loader and BH attached.. no such thing as a "compact tractor" here. And the industrial tires can tear up turf pretty easy.. almost as bad as AGs.
 
   / Deere 4310 or Kubota L3130 ? #5  
Don716, I live in Haralson County 10 Miles off the Alabama line
 
   / Deere 4310 or Kubota L3130 ? #6  
4 months ago I was against the same decision. I was waiting for the JD loan approval when I found the 3130. I bought the Kubota because I felt and firmly believe that I received more tractor for less money. I didn't like the idea of plastic fenders and hood and felt like the JD was a smaller tractor in sheer size. The ground clearance on the Kubota is several inches higher which has come in handy many times. I bought the 3130 gear w/shuttle shift and the lighter duty loader and it is more capable than I ever imagined. I have put 30hrs on my tractor in just 2 months. My 3130 has seen rough duty since Isabel when through Richmond, VA mid Sept. The Kubota specs were better than the JD in every category except PTO HP and if I remember it was less than 1/2 hp. Since the JD is mostly made in Japan I wasn't doing my patriotic duty by buying it over the Kubota.
Good Luck


This is a reply post from my question on which to buy.

I have been looking at both these machines and some others, except in hydro instead of gear. They are both fantastic machines. You may also want to take a look at the NH TC30 Gear (25.5 HP PTO), TC33D Gear (28.6 HP PTO) or TC35 (29.6 HP PTO). However, the TC30 and TC33D only come in 9/3 and not 8/8 and 12/12 shuttle shift like the L3130 and 4310, respectively.

Here are a few of my observations (for whatever they are worth) about the JD 4310 vs the Kubota L3130.

4310 ePowrReverser:
* 32 HP Gross
* 27 HP PTO
* 2900 lbs
* 2200 lb 3PH lift capacity
* Ground Clearance: 10.5"
* 430 FEL: 1260 lb lift capacity at pivot pin
* Standard JD-specific Quik-Change for FEL bucket

L3130 DT:
* 32.1 HP Gross
* 25.5 HP PTO
* 3200 lbs
* 2650 lb 3PH lift capacity
* Ground Clearance: 14.2"
* LA513 FEL: 1345 lb lift capacity at pivot pin
* LA723 FEL: 1870 lb lift capacity at pivot pin
* Optional skid steer type quick attach for FEL bucket
* You can only run a MMM with R3 turf tires

When I test drove these tractors, I found them both to be a pleasure to drive. I placed them side-by-side so I could compare them. The Kubota is a slightly larger and heavier machine, which can be good or bad depending upon your situation. For whatever reason, I fealt a little more stable and safer on the L3130.

It was hard to tell any difference but I would say the JD was a little louder at an idle due to the direct injection but the Kubota may have been slightly louder at the rated RPM speed. I noticed a few rattles on the Kubota that I didn't hear on the JD.

Both had an impressive turning radius, both with and without brake steering. By the way, you can brake steer fairly easily on the L3130 HST using the cruise control lever instead of the treadle pedal. I also really like the mechanical cruise control lever. It allowed you to easily adjust the speed on the fly and maintain creeper-like speeds. I would like to comment on the JD cruise control but it was not working and the diagnostics light was blinking (not sure if the two were related). With all that said, I realize that you will not have cruise control on a gear tractor for obvious reasons, which means it would be difficult to brake steer the L3130 DT. The big question is, how often do you plan to brake steer? For most of us, it's rare.

The JD had noticeably smaller R4 tires and I asked the salesman about this. Take the following information with a big ol' bag of salt. He said the 4310 should and could have larger R4 tires on it but JD is having issues with tire quality in that size from Titan. Supposedly some sort of pee contest going on between JD and Titan so they are settling for the smaller tires. Seems odd to me, so take it for what it's worth.

I liked the loader control placement on the JD better. I liked the tilt wheel design on the Kubota better. Both seats were comfortable, with the JD seat having a better suspension but the K seat having standard arm rests.

I'm not sure which loader you looked at since you did not mention it but I imagine it was the LA513. I'm not sure about this FEL but I know the LA723 seemed much beefier than the 430 FEL. The FEL mounting points and framework on the K seemed much beefier as well.

The 4310 seems to have more electronics for critical functions. Some people love this and some fear it. The L3130 has an electronic display but I would not consider this to be critical since you could probably operate the tractor without it.

The L3130 has a beefier 3PH with external cylinders for easier maintenance in the future. However, at 2200 lbs lift cap, the JD should lift everything you will ever need to lift. The L3130 comes standard with telescopic lower links, which is extremely handy in my opinion. It is an option on the JD and should seriously be considered. The L3130 also has a nice crank handle instead of a turn buckle like on the JD.

The JD has green plastic hood/fenders and the K has orange metal. There is something to said for both. The one thing I have noticed is that 3 year old K machines with metal look older than 3 year old JD machines with plastic.

Both of these machines have a mid-PTO option and both are dependent upon the rear-PTO being engaged.

This has been a subject of some debate but you should know about it and make your own judgements. The L3130 has a cast iron rear axle housing and the 4310 has a cast aluminum rear axle housing. The lower links attach to this area.

This is not a factor on the gear tractors but I will mention it anyway. The L3130 HST still has a clutch, which is a nice safety blanket for people who are in the habit of jamming on the clutch in an emergency.

I like the IntelliPanel on the L3130 for those bonehead moments when you forget about the safety features.

I wished the JD used a standard skid steer type quick attach instead of their JD-specific type. This makes finding FEL attachments a little more difficult and costly. It also means the JD FEL attachments will be more difficult to unload if you ever want to sell one.

The throttle seems backward on the L3130. Wouldn't it make sense to push forward/up for throttle up? On the JD and NH, you push up/forward to throttle up instead of back/down like on the K.

I hopes this helps or maybe it just confused you. Now go do the right thing ... whatever that is. When you do, let me know because I still can't figure it out. Just make sure you let us know what you choose and post many pics ... don't leave us hanging.
 
   / Deere 4310 or Kubota L3130 ?
  • Thread Starter
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Thanks folks...


chriss...

Jeezzze... you're observations, analysis, and opinions are almost identical to mine comparing these 2 tractors... !

My decision was quite a bit more difficult since my Cousin is a Deere dealer and put quite a bit of "sales pressure" and "family pressure" on me to buy the Deere... at an excellent price...

"family pressure"... his Father, my Uncle, was a Deere dealer for 30+ years...

My L3130 is being put together as I write this... I stuck with my initial decision... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif


Thanks again...


Dave...
 
   / Deere 4310 or Kubota L3130 ? #8  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The JD has green plastic hood/fenders and the K has orange metal. There is something to said for both. The one thing I have noticed is that 3 year old K machines with metal look older than 3 year old JD machines with plastic.
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Plastic is what I would prefer,plastics in the John Deere hood and fenders is less likely to be damaged on a moderate impact than the sheet metal on another tractor.
 

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