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Yanmar YM240 Yanmar YM186D
...after five years of newbie user abuse of this antique.

But it could have been worse. Replacing the rollpin where the shift lever enters the transmission will cost 75 cents. :D

This didn't leave me stranded. It simply needed two hands grasping the shift lever to choose a gear.

I've had amazing reliability on this 30 year old tractor. This is the first thing on the Yanmar portion to ever need attention.

On the American-built loader and backhoe, I've replaced a few old hoses that didn't stand up to being snagged in downed trees, and repacked two sweating hydraulic cylinder seals. I can't think of any other repairs since 2003 when I bought it and did my initial minor renovation - replacing the clutch safety switch, ignition switch, battery cables etc to get the rig ready for troublefree use.

The reliability has been amazing. When I get this pin in, it should be ready for another five years.
 
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not bad as much as you seem to use you'er tractor. is this roll pin located where the rest of it didn't fall into the trans ? or did you have to go fishing for the rest if the pin
 
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It was probably an american made roll pin :)
 
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not bad as much as you seem to use your tractor. is this roll pin located where the rest of it didn't fall into the trans ? or did you have to go fishing for the rest if the pin
Every time I take a good look at some subassembly, I'm impressed how simple this thing is. The shifter boot is held on by an o-ring around its lower edge. No tools are needed to take it off. When I slid the boot up, the two halves of the rollpin were simply sitting there. There's a diagram on Hoye's parts pages showing how this fits together.

However...

It was probably an American made roll pin :)
I suspect it was, and wasn't original. It was a perfect 3/16 x 2". After I bought a replacement with those dimensions this morning, it slid in too easily. I need to order a genuine Yanmar rollpin, or at least find a Metric source locally. This should be a snug fit that needs some light hammer taps to install.
 
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If you're careful, you may be able to tap a thin metal wedge down the slot and bend open the rollpin just enough to make it fit tighter. Just an idea if you get stuck without a solution.
 
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Every time I take a good look at some subassembly, I'm impressed how simple this thing is. The shifter boot is held on by an o-ring around its lower edge. No tools are needed to take it off. When I slid the boot up, the two halves of the rollpin were simply sitting there. There's a diagram on Hoye's parts pages showing how this fits together.

However...

I suspect it was, and wasn't original. It was a perfect 3/16 x 2". After I bought a replacement with those dimensions this morning, it slid in too easily. I need to order a genuine Yanmar rollpin, or at least find a Metric source locally. This should be a snug fit that needs some light hammer taps to install.

5 x 40

Danny
 
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Y'know, California ~ most of the time I read something you've written about your jolly green Yanmar, I chuckle and think to myself, "That's a guy who loves his little tractor as much as I do."

I know, it's a little irrational, but I tend to have good relationships with well-made equipment, give them names, and they speak to me. I have to say that I love my little YM2010. I think it's beautiful, has classic lines, has the right balance of form following function, It's spartan, but powerful, capable and elegant, and is always eager to do what I ask of it, even if I am unreasonable or ignorant.

The little Yannie has the sparseness of expression common to Japanese industrial and commercial design of the 80's and it seems to be as persistent and tough as the Datsun/Nissan 4WD Pickup I acquired mid '80s. I was the 3rd or 4th owner of that unit, and I got it at 120K miles. I sold it in a trade a few years later with 240K on the clock, and I saw it putting around the county for years afterwards. I also sold it for about what I had paid for it. During the 120K+ miles I had it for, I replaced the spark plugs, and the water pump.

Equipment like that is what made the Japanese manufacturer's reputation, and exposed the corruption and decline of (some) American manufacturing.

But I have days when I question the wisdom of my purchase of an antique Japanese tractor to do today's work. I bought her because she was available and beautiful. I did some research (here& there) and decided that this was the best bang for the buck. I had about 10K to spend on a SCUT. There just wasn't anything available used from any dealer for the months I looked, Kubotas are big in the area, but there was very little to choose from used, it all looked like rental crap, and prices were, um, optimistic. (and many dealers were quite full of themselves when they learned that I wasn't going to finance anything - but I would pay cash and my budget was 10k) The JD dealer in particular was someone I made note of to avoid for the future.

I've since learned that the used CUT market is highly seasonal, and if you strike at the right time (fall around here) you could have a lot of choice and reasonable pricing - on par with or even lower than the premium UTDA YM models, for used orange iron of 5-10 year's vintage.

Anyway, It's just a little bit of buyers remorse, really more of a dread that something major will break and I will be SOL with parts and service. Yeah, yeah, the dealer, yada, yada, yada. I've got a good dealer. But it's 120 miles round trip, and I'm too independent and proud (not to mention cheap) to load it up and drive for a couple of hours and wait for how long to address item #23.. or 24. And I did a fair inspection of units. This was the best.

I am very mechanically inclined and I do get some pleasure out of the minor service and repair items, but good god it is a constant stream of service - nothing major so far, thanks, but just a endless stream of items that are mostly attributable to prior owners or "reconditioning". I'm 180+ hours of operation into my YM2010, and I think I'm getting to know her pretty well.

I have lost track of how many important bolts were nowhere near torque values when checked. I found the radiator oddly shimmed in the front with washers so that the fan wouldn't hit the radiator hose (which it was doing anyway); I found FEL mounting bolts that were looser than a nickel ho; an intake manifold that was mounted with the wrong gasket such that unfiltered air was entering the engine- thank god I decided to wash the engine with water while it was running; four or five hairpin clips missing from brake and shifting linkages, paint about everywhere it shouldn't be; electrical connections with the integrity of a Congressman. And don't get me started about leaks. nothing big, but jeez.

I know, it's used. Used on a Farm. By a Farmer. I'm not expecting a garage-kept 1987 Mercedes 450 SEL that was driven 45 mph on country lanes on Sundays. But when I bought a reconditioned tractor, I was hoping that meant something in addition to ROPS and Good Paint.

Sorry, just a whiny rant here - I should just thank my stars I didn't find 5 gm of copper and babbit on my first oil change, right?. She's reliable, strong, starts in the cold (20-30F around here) without any fuss, and seems reasonably tight. I hope my luck holds...
 
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Danny, thanks! 5mm is slightly larger than 3/16 (4.76mm) so that is clearly what belongs in there.

Onestep, I don't think it will spread and stay spread. The pin that came out had shattered so apparently it was true spring steel. I thought if I can't find a replacement locally I might weld a burr at the middle of this one and grind the burr down to an interference fit. That should hold it until I get around to ordering the correct pin.

ES, I enjoy your stories too! Here's a photo of what I've been working on. Down next to the ravine, I have a couple of rows of mature apple trees that had been abandoned and overwhelmed by blackberries as they gradually slid off the bank.

I''m pulling the berry runners out of the trees with the backhoe - because it's too nasty to pull them by hand. I swing the boom side to side well off the ground which yanks the long streamers out of the trees. Then wad up what I collected and set it up in the aisle where I can collect it later. You literally couldn't see the trees in this blackberry jungle when I started. (And this illustrates why I am hard on hydraulic hoses. I occasionally snag apple limbs that were impossible to see in the blackberry jungle.)

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Every time I take a good look at some subassembly, I'm impressed how simple this thing is. The shifter boot is held on by an o-ring around its lower edge. No tools are needed to take it off. When I slid the boot up, the two halves of the rollpin were simply sitting there. There's a diagram on Hoye's parts pages showing how this fits together.



I have the same thoughts about my Kubota B6100 and two B5100's.
Simple and reliable!

That Hoye website is amazing. Are there any other tractor companies or tractor dealers that have such a wealth of information about their brand, online?
 
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ES, buyers remorse? Only buyers remorse I have is that I did not buy sooner. Not sure if you went with a UTDA unit or not but I did and also had a couple of problems that were resolved quickly by my dealer, a brand new green or orange or any other unit is subject to problems. I have been blessed, I am at a point in life that I could have bought anything on the market. I am also at the point that I will not wear out my 30 year old 2210BD. The simplicty of these units is what sold me. I have a fuse block with 4 or 5 fuses, no other fuse links hidden throughout the system to try to find if something is not working right. All sheet metal is metal--no plastic except for the housing cover for the gauges. I would not trade my tractor for a new one. My dealer support has been incredible and the couple of times I have trailered it for a problem I was allowed to get my hands dirty and help and watch and learn. Does not get any better than that.
 
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California, I get a bit nostalgic when I see the photo of your YM 240. My wife already had one when we got married. It was about 6 years old then and only used to cut grass. After we got married, I bought a back blade, a disc and a rototiller for it. I (it) was a popular member of the neighborhood we live in, I got to help out a lot of neighbors with different projects.

I was always amazed at the amount of work it would do, I was not the easiest driver on it. I almost got it stuck in the driveway in one of the east coast blizzards we had in the early 1990's (over 2' of snow). It took me 3 hours to open up my driveway that time, usually a 20 minute job.

I traded it in on a Kubota B2100 in the spring of 1999. Our kids were starting to leave home and I did not always have the extra hand I needed to help attach and remove the Woods mower deck. It was also nice to have a chance to buy a tractor with a front end loader and 4wd. That being said, I never had a mechanical probem with the Yanmar in all the years that we had it. If Yanmar had still been selling their tractors in 1999, I would have bought a new Yanmar.

I am keeping my fingers crossed on the reliability of my Kubota, nothing but routine maintainance to date in 10 years. If it last as long as the Yanmar, my grandson will be glad to take the Kubota he has grown up on in 10 more years.
 
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Ninefinger. I am new to this site and after reading through some of the threads I ran across one of yours.I also brought my tractor from Steve, Spalding Tractor and Equipment.Great guy.When I decided on a Yanmar looked and talked to alot of dealers in the ATL. area and he was by far the most honest of them all and gave me a great deal on a non referbished tractor. It hasn't let me let me down yet as he stated when I bought it that it just needs a little TLC.So far after 1yr and 175hrs.nothing but a voltage regulater a few bad electrical conections ,turn signals I will admit alittle **** about things and regular maintenance every things works as it should.The only down side is I don't see it wearing out any time soon so that will make it a hard case to convince the wifey to let me upgrade to a bigger yammer.
 
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I found a 5 x 40 mm rollpin locally, and will put it in when this rain lets up and I can get back over to the ranch.

careyo63, welcome! I see that was your first post ever. I think you will like it here. My YM240 is the Americanized version of your YM2000, essentially the same but with some different safety features. You might like to see the brochures and product description referenced in my sig, below. I agree, you won't wear out that tractor any time soon.

Dale, these things do grow on you. Half the time I think this is larger than I need, then pretty soon I hit a task I couldn't do with a smaller tractor. Last week I lifted this 650 lb tank from my trailer. And that backhoe in the first picture was a dealer option for this exact model Yanmar, back in the day.
 

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careyo63, welcome here, you have found the one site that I believe has the most information of all the ones I have seen. There are a couple of others I cruise that I see familar names but I guess this one has been around the longest. I have learned so much here. I understand ****, I waited so long to get my tractor, I don't know how honest that statement really is, always wanted one but had other loves. A stupid action of mine made some things harder and my interests shifted, but anyway I do use my tractor but I take very good care of her. Seat time is just plain therapy for me, every once in a while my wife will tell me she remembers when I looked at her the way I look at my tractor. As for Steve, he is first class all the way, I can not say enough good things about him.
 
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Greetings, I see you still have the same tractor! I was wondering if you still have the mystery backhoe? I looked for a tractor to put mine on but finally gave into my wife urgeing me to by a tractor with a backhoe one it. I still have my mystery backhoe sitting on the hill. Richard
 
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Yep! That's it in Post#8 above.

I subsequently have seen other instances of this model BH that have the Yanmar trademark painted on and 'built for Yanmar' on the ID plate. Apparently the US manufacturer, whoever they were, built for both Kubota and Yanmar dealers to sell.

I think they are called K650 and L650 by Kubota, and Y600 or something like that by Yanmar.

Here's a photo from a long ago ebay auction. It's a Yanmar tractor with a Yanmar-label backhoe.

I never have found a present-day dealer representing this model but I've found that all the hoses, cylinders, pins etc are generic and available at any hydraulic shop.

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Greetings, All!

Have been off-line for a while & while reading this thread, I was once again amazed with the warm reception and valuable insight the TBN members give to others on this site. When I bought my F215D, I never would have been as comfortable/confident had I not gotten seriously good info from the site and its members prior to my doing so.

And it is good to see that our TBN 'Veteran Members' continue to be as generous and supportive with their observations, tips and advice to us Yanmar neophytes. Both my wife & I are so happy with the reliability and sturdy design of our own, that it is now affectionately named "Jannies Yannie" - Jan being my wife who is not afraid to: A) let me buy it in the first place; B) drive the 'dern' thing herself; and C) willingly turn a wrench with me on it when the need arises.

I therefore concur w/ NineFingers on his observation re: the friendliness and helpfulness of TBN, and I equally thank California for all the great experiences, advice & info that he and others share so generously, to the benefit of all.

Speaking of good advice and on a practical note: would any of you guys know if an after-market ROP would require removal of the (very useful) factory-installed tool box behind the driver? The box appears to be specifically 'relieved' at the back to allow one to be mounted, but I know of no 'factory-designed' model and I have yet to find a design that can assure me of same, short of purchasing one and attempting to install it with the tool box on . I am hopeful that I may retain the box, but if there is no ROPS that can fill the bill, I will just have to learn to live w/out the toolbox.

Also- the combo FEL that came with the F215 was new and had no brand name on it other than the prominent 'model #' stickers on each side of it. The FEL appeares very sound, well-installed, works quite reliably and has a variety of well-placed, appropriately-worded (in English) safety stickers. It would be nice to know something about this bucket as well, if possible, and I appreciate any insight you might have about either question. I have attached two photos of our machine FYI. Thanks in advance!

Sincerely;

The Infamous David J.
 

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Greetings, All!

Have been off-line for a while & while reading this thread, I was once again amazed with the warm reception and valuable insight the TBN members give to others on this site. When I bought my F215D, I never would have been as comfortable/confident had I not gotten seriously good info from the site and its members prior to my doing so.

And it is good to see that our TBN 'Veteran Members' continue to be as generous and supportive with their observations, tips and advice to us Yanmar neophytes. Both my wife & I are so happy with the reliability and sturdy design of our own, that it is now affectionately named "Jannies Yannie" - Jan being my wife who is not afraid to: A) let me buy it in the first place; B) drive the 'dern' thing herself; and C) willingly turn a wrench with me on it when the need arises.

I therefore concur w/ NineFingers on his observation re: the friendliness and helpfulness of TBN, and I equally thank California for all the great experiences, advice & info that he and others share so generously, to the benefit of all.

Speaking of good advice and on a practical note: would any of you guys know if an after-market ROP would require removal of the (very useful) factory-installed tool box behind the driver? The box appears to be specifically 'relieved' at the back to allow one to be mounted, but I know of no 'factory-designed' model and I have yet to find a design that can assure me of same, short of purchasing one and attempting to install it with the tool box on . I am hopeful that I may retain the box, but if there is no ROPS that can fill the bill, I will just have to learn to live w/out the toolbox.

Also- the combo FEL that came with the F215 was new and had no brand name on it other than the prominent 'model #' stickers on each side of it. The FEL appeares very sound, well-installed, works quite reliably and has a variety of well-placed, appropriately-worded (in English) safety stickers. It would be nice to know something about this bucket as well, if possible, and I appreciate any insight you might have about either question. I have attached two photos of our machine FYI. Thanks in advance!

Sincerely;

The Infamous David J.
 

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