Correlation of Tilt Meter and Pucker Factor

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I thought I would post my preliminary findings after temporarily installing a tilt meter on my CK20 then heading out to traverse some slopes on the land I work.

Method: slow traverse of slope with CK20, Bush Hog (running)and FEL (down, unloaded).

Simple finding: 15% slope sets off pucker factor quite reliably. Less of a slope doesn't seem to bother me while traversing. Much more than 15% slope (17-20%) sets off "bail out alarms" which are counteracted only by presence of seat belt. Most anxious moments are when turning up hill (slowly, slowly). I did not try it but imagine that experiencing a >20% slope would have resulted in a need for fresh shorts.

Bottom line: If you don't have a tilt meter I would say "pucker factor" is a pretty good substitute. My tilt meter reads yellow after 15% and red after 20% and I now have pretty reliable physiologic correlates in the seat of my pants. Maybe we need to confirm this with some other individuals to report their experiences to see if the correlation holds for others.

Extra credit question for you engineers/physicists out there: I did this while running the Bush Hog. Seems to me there would be a fair amount of rotary momentum in those blades along the plane of the slope. Would that energy tend to stabilize or destabilze the tractor with regard to tipping down the slope?? I guess what I was thinking of was how the wheels of a motorcycle actually provide some gyroscopic like stabilizing effect at speed. Would the orientation of the hog do likewise by resisting change in position or not??
 

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   / Correlation of Tilt Meter and Pucker Factor
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I thought I would post my preliminary findings after temporarily installing a tilt meter on my CK20 then heading out to traverse some slopes on the land I work.

Method: slow traverse of slope with CK20, Bush Hog (running)and FEL (down, unloaded).

Simple finding: 15% slope sets off pucker factor quite reliably. Less of a slope doesn't seem to bother me while traversing. Much more than 15% slope (17-20%) sets off "bail out alarms" which are counteracted only by presence of seat belt. Most anxious moments are when turning up hill (slowly, slowly). I did not try it but imagine that experiencing a >20% slope would have resulted in a need for fresh shorts.

Bottom line: If you don't have a tilt meter I would say "pucker factor" is a pretty good substitute. My tilt meter reads yellow after 15% and red after 20% and I now have pretty reliable physiologic correlates in the seat of my pants. Maybe we need to confirm this with some other individuals to report their experiences to see if the correlation holds for others.

Extra credit question for you engineers/physicists out there: I did this while running the Bush Hog. Seems to me there would be a fair amount of rotary momentum in those blades along the plane of the slope. Would that energy tend to stabilize or destabilze the tractor with regard to tipping down the slope?? I guess what I was thinking of was how the wheels of a motorcycle actually provide some gyroscopic like stabilizing effect at speed. Would the orientation of the hog do likewise by resisting change in position or not??
 
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The tilt meter in your attachment reads in Degrees--not Per Cent Slope. There is a big difference. I think you meant to say degrees in all of your observations. A 20 degree side slope is very "puckery" on a Compact tractor. If we substitute Degrees for Per Cent Slope in your comments they are right on the mark for what most people have observed.

JackIL
 
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The tilt meter in your attachment reads in Degrees--not Per Cent Slope. There is a big difference. I think you meant to say degrees in all of your observations. A 20 degree side slope is very "puckery" on a Compact tractor. If we substitute Degrees for Per Cent Slope in your comments they are right on the mark for what most people have observed.

JackIL
 
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Oooh, the rotary question. Lets assume the brush hog was rigidly mounted to the tractor since with the 3ph, the force created by a spinny thing would be lost to float.

If your 3ph was rigid, the spinny thing would resist being tilted and stabilize the tractor.

I've always thought that it wasn't so much the angle of the tilt as it was the unexpected rock or hole that would send the tractor tumbling.
 
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Oooh, the rotary question. Lets assume the brush hog was rigidly mounted to the tractor since with the 3ph, the force created by a spinny thing would be lost to float.

If your 3ph was rigid, the spinny thing would resist being tilted and stabilize the tractor.

I've always thought that it wasn't so much the angle of the tilt as it was the unexpected rock or hole that would send the tractor tumbling.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I've always thought that it wasn't so much the angle of the tilt as it was the unexpected rock or hole that would send the tractor tumbling. )</font>
Those are all factors. It can happen on flat ground too as I'm sure most of us have seen evidence of on here, or in my case, in person. Not me, but someone cut to pieces with a brush hog.
John
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I've always thought that it wasn't so much the angle of the tilt as it was the unexpected rock or hole that would send the tractor tumbling. )</font>
Those are all factors. It can happen on flat ground too as I'm sure most of us have seen evidence of on here, or in my case, in person. Not me, but someone cut to pieces with a brush hog.
John
 
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You are absolutely correct. I meant degrees not percent slope. I will see if I can edit the original post so others don't get confused. Thanks for catching my error.

(Just tried to edit the original and it is too late. Sorry everyone for the confusion)
 
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You are absolutely correct. I meant degrees not percent slope. I will see if I can edit the original post so others don't get confused. Thanks for catching my error.

(Just tried to edit the original and it is too late. Sorry everyone for the confusion)
 

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