Conventional oil vs synthetic oil question

   / Conventional oil vs synthetic oil question #1  

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Just food for thought.
This a hypothetical situation. If put convention oil in my gas truck, after 5000 km, the oil is dark and dirty. Oil change time. Now I put synthetic oil in same said truck, after another 5000 km, oil has only slightly changed color.

Can't the hypothesis be made the conventional oil did a better job of removing the "dirt" or carbon for the motors internal components?
 
   / Conventional oil vs synthetic oil question #2  
That's one explanation.

Let us know how your test to prove this goes.

By the way, I highly doubt the synthetic oil will have only 'slightly changed color' after 5,000 km particularly in a diesel. I use synthetic in my NH TC25D and it turns dark after only a few hours.

How will you be quantifying the results? Filtering out the contaminants some how?
 
   / Conventional oil vs synthetic oil question #3  
Geez....... another dino vs syn thread...... :)
 
   / Conventional oil vs synthetic oil question #4  
It has been since last year that I saw another one...
 
   / Conventional oil vs synthetic oil question #5  
Supposedly synthetic keeps dirt in suspension better and will be picked up by the oil filter.

However, I've never noticed a difference in color at oil change time between either oil type.
 
   / Conventional oil vs synthetic oil question #6  
Or,,,, is there less crud in the syn oil because it does a better job of lubricating the rotating assembly lessening the amount of metal wearing away and being suspended in the dino oil? :confused3:

Or,,,, is the additional darkening of the dino oil caused by it's lower ability to handle hot spots in bearings or such and being 'burnt slightly' by heat? :confused3:

Or,,,,,,is the darkened appearance due to from aeration/oxidation to the dino oil that may not be as susceptible with the syn oil? :confused3:

I don't know the answers either.......but it is an interesting issue...... :2cents:

BarnieTrk :confused:
 
   / Conventional oil vs synthetic oil question #7  
,,,,,,is the darkened appearance due to from aeration/oxidation to the dino oil that may not be as susceptible with the syn oil? :confused3:

Traditional dino products are a blend of components. Over-simplified, mix some thin components with some thick ones to arrive at a 'medium'. The more volatile of them are short molecule 'chains' that also break down more easily in normal use and combine with impurities (from that breakdown) to create the dark & dirty look. This 'weakness' is why so many such traditional dino 'blends' have a shelf life.

For an experiment, put a quart of gasoline (a hydrocarbon blend) into a mild jug and cap it. After a while, you may smell ether (lightest) that permeates the plastic jug, not much different than CO2 that dissipates from an unopened 2 liter soda bottle in a year or two. The remaining dino components becomes thick & gooey at length from what doesn't evaporate or dissipate as easily.

Road *tar: another 'blend' of (heavier) hydrocarbons. That it fades and stiffens (surface) with age is the same 'loss' of more volatile components. (*.. what refinery 'leftovers' become)

Synthetic oils are blended from more similar-sized (length) molecular chains than dino and are thus more stable against contamination and 'breakdown'. The less dirt apparent in drained syn oil is often just less of the oils own 'broken' molecules and semi-soluble contaminants that attach to them. If you make less pollution, neither drained oil or the filter will show as much. There should be no confusion as to whether synthetic oil is indeed better.

Of course is, but whether its cost is justified will always be a case by case matter of opinion and confidence. I suggest that low hr/mi use favors the economy of cheaper dino, as it is refreshed more often and the crap rinsed out. ex: Since I don't put 3k mi/yr on either car of the truck I'd be well of to switch to synthetic so my oil doesn't 'sour' between seasons and service intervals.

Few things are more YMMV than which is best for a given use. Cost wise, it's not much different than considering change intervals, and that adds 'V' to 'YM'. :D
 
   / Conventional oil vs synthetic oil question #9  
Traditional dino products are a blend of components. Over-simplified, mix some thin components with some thick ones to arrive at a 'medium'. The more volatile of them are short molecule 'chains' that also break down more easily in normal use and combine with impurities (from that breakdown) to create the dark & dirty look. This 'weakness' is why so many such traditional dino 'blends' have a shelf life.

For an experiment, put a quart of gasoline (a hydrocarbon blend) into a mild jug and cap it. After a while, you may smell ether (lightest) that permeates the plastic jug, not much different than CO2 that dissipates from an unopened 2 liter soda bottle in a year or two. The remaining dino components becomes thick & gooey at length from what doesn't evaporate or dissipate as easily.

Road *tar: another 'blend' of (heavier) hydrocarbons. That it fades and stiffens (surface) with age is the same 'loss' of more volatile components. (*.. what refinery 'leftovers' become)

Synthetic oils are blended from more similar-sized (length) molecular chains than dino and are thus more stable against contamination and 'breakdown'. The less dirt apparent in drained syn oil is often just less of the oils own 'broken' molecules and semi-soluble contaminants that attach to them. If you make less pollution, neither drained oil or the filter will show as much. There should be no confusion as to whether synthetic oil is indeed better.

Of course is, but whether its cost is justified will always be a case by case matter of opinion and confidence. I suggest that low hr/mi use favors the economy of cheaper dino, as it is refreshed more often and the crap rinsed out. ex: Since I don't put 3k mi/yr on either car of the truck I'd be well of to switch to synthetic so my oil doesn't 'sour' between seasons and service intervals.

Few things are more YMMV than which is best for a given use. Cost wise, it's not much different than considering change intervals, and that adds 'V' to 'YM'. :D

Wow! --- VERY well spoken, my Friend! :drink:
Wishin' you a SUPERB New Year! :drink: :drink:
BarnieTrk :cool2:
 
   / Conventional oil vs synthetic oil question #10  
. I use synthetic in my NH TC25D and it turns dark after only a few hours.

Different diesel engines are different in this regard. I think to some extent those that turn dark real quick are due to the engine not draining well, leaving small pools of oil inside that blends with the new oil and darkens it. I have an old Mercedes diesel that I can let drain for hours, fill it with new oil, start it up and the oil is immediately black. No way it picked up that much contamination after running for seconds. No big deal to me, it makes checking the oil level easier if it is dark.
 

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