concrete walkway

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barticus73

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I am getting ready to pour a concrete walkway in my barn an am new to the process. I formed up the walkway with 2x4's. I want to put in the wire or rebar to hold it all together. I'll get this at a Lowe's type store. What exactly do I ask for and what do you guys reccommend. 4" pour. Also, one side of the forms will be against the existing barn foundation wall. The barn is over 75 years old and foundation looks to be some mix of mortar and stones. After I pull the forms, should I fill the space between walkway and foundation with something like sand or something?
 
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You could forego the form against the foundation. Snap a chalkline on the foundation at the level your inside form would be.Screeding from your 2x4 on one side to the chalk line on the other is tricky though; my buddy has 30 years expierience and makes it look easy. It's not too hard, but is still not easy.
 
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What he said.

To add, I'd forego the rebar/wire also and just do a crack seam every 3-4 ft.
 
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RobertN said:
You could forego the form against the foundation. Snap a chalkline on the foundation at the level your inside form would be.Screeding from your 2x4 on one side to the chalk line on the other is tricky though; my buddy has 30 years expierience and makes it look easy. It's not too hard, but is still not easy.


If I don't use a form on the foundation side isn't there a chance then of cracking if the barn moves even in the slightest? Thats the concern that is sticking in my head right now. I am in western Pa and we go through some pretty good freeze thaw cycles here. Or am I worrying about something I shouldn't be?
 
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barticus73 said:
If I don't use a form on the foundation side isn't there a chance then of cracking if the barn moves even in the slightest?
I wouldn't think so, it's not going to adhere to the foundation so there will always be a crack/seam anyway.

It's a guarantee concrete will do 2 things, get hard and crack.
You can somewhat control the latter of the 2.
 
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I agree with RobertN....you do not need the form against the barn
foundation.

For the best results:
> dig out at least six inches of native soil and replace with
gravel. compact it with a plate compactor. This is esp needed
where you are subject to frost heaving soil
> place plastic LDPE sheeting over the gravel. this will retain the
water in the pour for the best hardening
> use rebar of at least #3 at 12-18" OC.
> pour the largest aggregate your readimix company will deliver.
pour a 4" slump or stiffer. 5 sacks/cy or better mix.
> keep the finished concrete wet for at least a few days. keep it
from getting cooked in the sun
 
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You could always get some commercial expansion joint material (it will be in lowes with the concrete stuff, it is kind of like a treated cardboard about 1/2" thick.

Nail it too the foundation wall and use the top of it to screed against. It is intended to be left in place so you would just pull out your outer form board and be done.

Cannot find it on the lowes website of course (I hate trying to find stuff on their website) but here is another site with a description of it. They say to cover it, but the applications I have noticed it in, they just left it on the surface.

FIBER BOARD TECH-DATA - A.P.S.
 
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While you don't need the form against the barn foundation, since you already have it there, I wouldn't go to the trouble of tearing it out.

Compacted gravel under the sidewalk is a good idea, and will help a lot with frost heaves.

Forget the wire mesh -- ever job I have ever done with it has cracked. Use rebar which gives a lot higher quality result. #3 bar is probably good enough, but I use #4 bar for just about everything. It is almost twice as strong. Then again, I have a cutter/bender I bought used for $125 20 years ago & it makes it easy.

Just put some sand in the gap between the walkway & the foundation.
 
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The pros can run make a pour straight and smooth without a form on both sides to smooth off the concrete, most do-it-yourselfers can't. Since this is your first time doing something like this, I'd definiately leave the form in against the barn foundation. In fact, I'd use Preasure Treated 1x4's and leave them forever.

As for filling in the gap between the sidewalk and the barn, you lost me there. Do you plan to remove the form after you pour you concrete? How will you do this? Forms are usually held in place with stakes of some kind. Usually wood with screws through them and the form to hold the form level, or where you want it. Getting these out means you have the screw head on the outside of the form. If it's next to a building, than the stakes will have to be in the pour and you will cover them with concrete.

Make sure your stakes that are getting covered are down at least two inches from the tops of your forms. Don't worry about them rotting out over the years. They probably will, but you'll never know it and two inches of concrete agains the wall will also never know it.

For a sidewalk, number 3 rebar, or 3/8's rebar is plenty. Dave said number 4 is allot stronger, and he's correct, but it's also much more dificult to bend and cut. There's gonna be around a 50 percent price difference too. Remember that most sidewalks in town are poured without any rebar or wire in them. It's not really needed for walkways since you don't have anything your supporting or heavy loads on it.

Depending on how wide your sidewalk is going to be, usually two rows laid lengthwise of rebar is more than enough. Cut a few pieces to connect your two rows to make it look like a ladder laying down and you'll have more strength than you'll ever need. Set it all on some chairs or rocks and you're ready.

Have fun,
Eddie
 

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