CK20 Gear Model

Tyler · Aug 15, 2004

I'm considering a CK20 for brush cutting, light grading, and some loader work on 4 acres. I imagine going with a gear model even though it has no shuttle, but I'm curious about the shifter configuration. Is the first or second gear opposite of reverse?

KiotiJohn · Aug 15, 2004

I'm not sure about the configuration, Gerard will probably tell you that, but I wanted to make sure you realize that the gear model does not have an independent PTO. For the unaccustomed, this can be a trying experience. The CK20 only has a single stage clutch, so the PTO stops when you depress the clutch, and if you don't depress the clutch, the PTO momentum can push the tractor if it's in gear. John

GerardC · Aug 15, 2004

( Is the first or second gear opposite of reverse? )

TylerMacmillan:

Welcome to TBN.
First gear is opposite of reverse.
I do A LOT of Boxblading as well as FEL work. I've also used my PHD and have had no problems with the shifting (finding gears) with my CK20. It becomes second nature once you get use to it. Hope this helps. G

Tyler · Aug 15, 2004

( so the PTO stops when you depress the clutch, and if you don't depress the clutch, the PTO momentum can push the tractor if it's in gear. John )

John-

Yeah, thanks for the heads-up and for being conscientious. Several weeks ago I read a similar post you made on this subject, and have since chatted with neighbors about their older tractors that have this same issue with a transmisssion PTO. Both say it's manageable, but we all agree that for someone who doesn't have tractoring experience or knowledge of the issue, it could be quite surprising/dangerous the first time it happens.

Some other thoughts on this:
• With due respect I may be able to elaborate on your quote: Even if you *do* press the clutch while in gear, the implement's momentum can push the tractor via the transmission.
• One neighbor uses an 'overspin' or 'over-run' clutch on an old Ford 8N between the rear PTO output and the implement shaft. This allows the flywheel of his brush cutter to spin freely once the PTO is disengaged, without pushing the tractor. If I get a CK20 gear I can try it out.

Thanks again, and I'm sure to have plenty more questions. I'm impressed with Kioti, and this forum has been good to break through some of the crap/misinformation that gets thrown around when you find yourself talking to dealers of equipment that has much more 'brand name recognition'. My wife and I had to laugh when she was browsing Kubota BX models at the county fair the other day. When she told the dealer we were cosidering a Kioti she was told: "Run away from Kioti. Those Chinese tractors aren't worth...blah,blah" So anecdote aside, good work to all who come here to give good information.

Tyler
(note: I've requested that my Display Name be changed to just Tyler - may be different by next week)

KiotiJohn · Aug 15, 2004

( With due respect I may be able to elaborate on your quote: Even if you *do* press the clutch while in gear, the implement's momentum can push the tractor via the transmission.)
Yes, you're right. I had forgotten that I had an overrunning clutch on the only tractor I ever had that didn't have an independent PTO. It was never a problem because of that. Many years ago, and memories fade! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif John

depratt_equip · Aug 17, 2004

The CK20 models as well as the LB1914 both have an over-running clutch setup in the transmissions.

KiotiJohn · Aug 18, 2004

( The CK20 models as well as the LB1914 both have an over-running clutch setup in the transmissions. )
That's great news. I didn't realize they had the clutch. I've never seen anyone post about it before, and I've only tried out the HSTs. My dealer did have a manual for a short time, but I didn't get a chance to try it before it was sold. Thanks Jon.