Chip Seal Road Repair, Dust Control and thoughts on creating an HOA.

[oosik]

Diggin it - good question. I think it would depend upon the wording of the agreement. Same as if your property fronts on a public road and the shared road runs up one side of your property. You access your property directly off the public road and never use the shared road. Would you still be expected to contribute.

 

[Looking4new]

I use "Farmers Hankie" but never figured it might control my summer dust problem.

If you leave your road rough, with lots of deep potholes on it the traffic would have to go slow and hence no dust. Grade it out just before freeze up so snow removal wont be a big problem.

 

[zzvyb6]

As mentioned previously, and I second this comment, chip seal only adds surface texture to a road surface. It's just tar with small stones sprinkled on it. No filling of holes, cracks, or heave removal. Our county uses this process every 10 years or so to give us some snow traction. Pretty soon all that is left is the tar, which looks very nice on your wheels, driveway, and garage floor. There will be dust clouds you can't see thru for a week after application, too.

Around here, you pay for County road improvements based on frontage ($200 per foot) and votes counted by the foot also. I have 800 ft of frontage. Guess how my vote went ? AND, county wants 60ft roadway easement, curb and gutter and bike lanes. Too bad, My property has NO easements at all (not even for the road, none for utilities and nothing for 'communications' equipment (cable company wires). They have road access based on what they have been maintaining for 100 years (12' wide prescriptive easement). Plus, there is still 1 kid on the road who needs a schoolbus to take him to middles school 1000' ft away. (Children not allowed to walk to school). So, the county HAS to snow plow and scrape the dirt/gravel so little Rembrandt doesn't get a bouncy ride on the bus (and he's the only on on it !).

Too bad. I said no and that was the end of the story.

 

[oosik]

That is EXACTLY why my mile long gravel driveway has strategically located potholes. In the beginning - 1982 - folks would brag about how very fast they could drive down my driveway. It was flat and smooth as a pool table. The potholes have taken care of that situation. IDIOTS

 

[bigtiller]

I used Lignosulfonate for Dust Control several years until the local business moved to a more densely populated area to up his income. More commonly called "tree sap", it works as good as any other dust control product with the added benefit of no salt to harm vehicles.

And the road sheds rain easier so it drys out faster.

 

[JasperFrank]

I want to Thank Everyone for the Excellent POSTs! Our road meeting is tomorrow. Again, Thank You for sharing your experiences.

 

[Buppies]

Lived under road agreement for 30 years $200 per year 96 lots was workable for us. Non paying board over saw the monies never any big issues but did have a great road. Houses easier to sell with that agreement

They took the few who did not pay to court for various reason like I don稚 use the road as much as others they all lost. If a property owner built a new house a bond was put up to cover the costs if damaged occurred

 

[Diggin It]

They took the few who did not pay to court for various reason like I don't use the road as much as others they all lost.

That's where these 'agreements' and other amateur written 'contracts' aren't fair. Consider, two households:

1. Single person, one or two passenger cars, travels the road only a few days a month, maybe a dozen trips in/out total. Maybe a few UPS or FedEx deliveries a year

2. Family of five, all driving age, all have vehicles, some larger pickups. They travel the road several times a day, some vehicles making multiple trips. They also get frequent deliveries.

Why should these two households pay the same rate?

 

[Buppies]

The agreement was drawn up by a UVA law professor. The Road is there for usage by all it痴 up to the individual how much one uses it.

 

[Diggin It]

Equal charge by household regardless of usage is amateur language, no matter how 'educated' the writer is.

Upthread somewhere I kind of jokingly suggested a tollgate, but maybe that isn't such a bad idea. RFID passes are how trucks are monitored in many places. You use it more, you pay more.

There was another thread a while back about one of the property owners renting their place out via a website and all the extra traffic and problems it caused. Commercial use like that should be at an even higher rate.

 

[Oldoak]

--------------------Too bad, My property has NO easements at all (not even for the road, none for utilities and nothing for 'communications' equipment (cable company wires). They have road access based on what they been maintaining for 100 years (12' wide prescriptive easement).-----------------

I wouldn't get over confident and brag too load. Someday some bureaucrat may come knocking on your door with an eminent domain document in their hand.

Which, by-the-way, I totally disagree with privet property being taken away with such eminent domain laws. Such laws are abused by big money stuffed in political pockets. But that's a whole new topic.

 

[Oaktree]

That's where these 'agreements' and other amateur written 'contracts' aren't fair. Consider, two households:

1. Single person, one or two passenger cars, travels the road only a few days a month, maybe a dozen trips in/out total. Maybe a few UPS or FedEx deliveries a year

2. Family of five, all driving age, all have vehicles, some larger pickups. They travel the road several times a day, some vehicles making multiple trips. They also get frequent deliveries.

Why should these two households pay the same rate?

Life isn't fair. Consider same 2 households, identical income.
(1) Married couple, renter, no kids.
(2) Married couple, homeowner, 4 kids under 18.

Who pays more income tax?
Why should those with no kids, no mortgage interest or property taxes subsidize those who do?

 

[Streetcar]

That's where these 'agreements' and other amateur written 'contracts' aren't fair. Consider, two households:

1. Single person, one or two passenger cars, travels the road only a few days a month, maybe a dozen trips in/out total. Maybe a few UPS or FedEx deliveries a year

2. Family of five, all driving age, all have vehicles, some larger pickups. They travel the road several times a day, some vehicles making multiple trips. They also get frequent deliveries.

Why should these two households pay the same rate?

For a paved road, loading from passenger vehicles is negligible. Weather and trucks are primary cause of deteriorating conditions

 

[Jstpssng]

^^^^^
That’s also dependent on the base under the asphalt.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Not a big proponent of cameras but here they could be useful. Those caught driving through pot holes should face heavy surcharges.

That whole HOA plan just seems like a barrel full of laughs. My lady friend manages condos, so I hear a lot of good stuff.

Like (mostly) seniors that drop their keys down the elevator shaft. $500-1000 service call later, they get their keys back that everyone pays for. How is THAT fair? But, that's the whole point, shared living space and expenses.

 

[Streetcar]

Not a big proponent of cameras but here they could be useful. Those caught driving through pot holes should face heavy surcharges.

That whole HOA plan just seems like a barrel full of laughs. My lady friend manages condos, so I hear a lot of good stuff.

Like (mostly) seniors that drop their keys down the elevator shaft. $500-1000 service call later, they get their keys back that everyone pays for. How is THAT fair? But, that's the whole point, shared living space and expenses.

Why would lost keys be a community expense? Dropped keys should not harm the elevator

 

[Streetcar]

^^^^^
That’s also dependent on the base under the asphalt.

I did assume the paving was on a good subbase

 

[Industrial Toys]

When everyones money is ever put into a pot, you must forget any expectation of fairness. Some will come out ahead and others will not.

 

[RobertN]

My neighborhood is a mix of Road Assoc, and neighborhood agreement.

The two main roads are in our Road Assoc. The only thing the Road Assoc does is maintain the road; we DID NOT want a HOA.

The side roads in our neighborhood(mine included) are not part of the Road Assoc; it is up to the neighbors to maintain. Have been fortunate, the 7 neighbors on my road have all been good about chipping in to maintain the chip seal road.

We had our road, and two main roads in the Assoc resurface with Petromat and chip/seal. Works great, holds the base really well.

The MAIN thing the road companies have told us, is to maintain drainage. They see more damage from bad or poorly maintained drainage...