Buy small mixer for mortar and <2cu yd of concrete or pay for redi mix

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Guys. What would you do? I'm sitting on the fence. I need to pour footings for bathroom addition and lip of garage. Total is ~1.5 cu yards. Also, I need to lay the block and mix that mortar 15-20 bags depending. In the next couple years I'll be adding an outbuilding with block foundation that I will likely lay the block for as well, which would be a lot more mortar.

I'm guessing most of you would mix your own concrete due to low volume over having ready mix delivered and that is the way that I'm leaning. If that is the case, would you use sack concrete or buy the sand, rock, and cement and mix yourself? Assuming of course, you have the tractor/bucket to move the raw materials to mix site from dump site. Typical minimum for ready mix delivery is 2 cuyd in this area and is at a premium of course. +~25% for lower volume at $125/cuyd.

Thanks!
 
   / Buy small mixer for mortar and <2cu yd of concrete or pay for redi mix #2  
I bought a cement mixer at HF 15 years ago for $180 or so and it works great for small jobs like that. I still use it now. I mixed all the mortar for a 1500 sq ft house with fiull basement and the sidewalks around it on my last house. This house I hauled sand and gravel in because a concrete truck would crush the blacktop and mixed 12 yards total of Portland cement needed for footings, a 8x8x7 storm shelter and a 14x24' floor. I would use Portland cement and haul in sand and gravel if a trailer is convenient, but usually for me and my wife, who does the mixing is about 2-3 yards a day max, but more if needed.
 
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I would not buy any of the mixers I'm seeing at the big box stores these days, they're junk. Mine is a 40 year-old all steel 1/3 yard gas mixer that still works like new. If you can get an older American made small mixer reasonable, then go for it. For mortar I prefer a big paddle in a 3/4 horse drill mix in a bucket.
 
   / Buy small mixer for mortar and <2cu yd of concrete or pay for redi mix #4  
Seven or 8 years ago I got a Kobalt brand mixer at Lowe's. I seem to remember about $180, but the website has it at a little over $280 today. Probably the same one, just 8 years of inflation. It has a plastic drum with 3 steel baffles inside.

Anyway, I have used it for over a thousand sacks of concrete and mortar over the years, and it just keeps going. One big secret of getting inexpensive mixers to last is that I used Locktite on every nut and bolt when I assembled it, even though it had lock washers. The common problem with lower end mixers is that the fasteners in the frame loosen slightly and they get rickety. Locktite during assembly stops that. This makes it take a little longer to put together, but is well worth the time.

I wash it out religiously after each use, since even a little old concrete will spoil a batch of mortar.

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Now, having said that, I think if you price out the ingredients you will find that, even with a short load charge, ready mix from a truck is less expensive than buying concrete in bags. Not to mention the value of your time and the backbreaking labor of mixing it. Plus, it is stronger and more uniform.

If you get 80# sacks of concrete, there are 45 bags required to make a cubic yard of concrete, and even at $125 for a yard with a short load charge you would need to get the bags at $2.78 to just break even. Lowe's in Southern Oregon, where I live, charges $4.41 per bag, which is the equivalent of $198.46 per yard. Home Depot only wants $3.65 per bag, but the ready mix is still cheaper. The economics of 60# bags are no better.

Around here, anything less than 2-1/2 yards has a short load charge. It is frequently less costly to order a 2-1/2 yard load in a truck and send the overage back than to pay the short load charge. Plus, that way I don't have to worry about coming up low with the amount in the truck. I can do the job in far less time, with fewer people, and it is a better job.

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A few last thoughts. If this is the only concrete work you are going to do for quite a while, get the ready mix and forget the mixer. Since you said you need mortar for block later, get the mixer and have it on hand. No matter how well you estimate concrete, sooner or later you are going to come up a couple of cubic feet short on a job. It is a lot easier and cheaper to mix this up from sacks you have on hand than to have to get another truck with 1/10 cubic yard.

When I mix concrete from sacks I usually add about a quart of dry portland cement from a sack before I start mixing. This greatly increases the strength of the mix you are making.

Any of the box stores will load 10-15 bags of concrete and a couple bags of portland cement in the back of your pickup for you. If you are careful with the bags and don't get them wet, you can return them for a full refund. This is great insurance for any concrete job when you have a ready mix truck coming.

Having enough rebar, and putting it on dobies or real rebar chairs is very important. Do not stint on this part of the job or it will be substandard forever. And, when you pour a footer for a block wall, or even the edge of a slab for under a block wall, you need to place rebar to go up the cavities in the block. If you don't know how to do this get some advice before you start. You can't put this in after the concrete sets. If you are building a stud wall on a footer or on top of a slab, you need foundation bolts. Again, have to put them in while the concrete is wet.
 
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I have the orange Kushlan wheelbarrow style mixer. No regrets after approx 1000 sacks of concrete. My form work is always low and I really like not having to transfer into a regular wheelbarrow. I mix the concrete in it and wheel it straight to the forms. Mine takes two 90 lb bags. I leave it spinning when I pour, seems to pour out better that way.
 
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I wholeheartedly agree on the economics of redi-mix. Been pouring and finishing concrete for decades and if you haven't tried the mud paddle (needs to be a good one) for mixing mortar it is the best method for a DIY'er. No waste and if you're working by yourself it is better to mix small quantities anyway. Your mortar should be nice and thick and peak like cake icing when you trowel over the top. Getting it that thick means a lot gets stuck in the drum if you mix not to mention the excessive dust. Also, when I use Sakrete I put the whole bag (3 in mine) paper and all and let it run for 5-10 minutes. The reason you have to add Portland to get a good mix is that a lot of the Portland gets sifted into the double paper liner during shipment.
This 70' sidewalk is 28 bags of 80# poured 3 years ago:
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   / Buy small mixer for mortar and <2cu yd of concrete or pay for redi mix #7  
really one can mix mortar in a mortar box and a motor hoe, at a fairly good rate by hand, and for 15 to 200 bags, that is what I would do, (or did for many years, until I found a old used mortar mixer (ended up having to rebuild it and make a new tub for it), and then I found a good sized portable concrete, mixer about 1/4 yard capacity,

using the mortar box and hoe if you do it properly it is not that hard, believe it or not I could not find a U tube video showing the correct way,

I will try to explain, normaly mortar and stucco is mixed 3 parts sand one part cement mortar,

I made a box with a 12" x12" x12" inside, (one cubic foot) fill and put in box, do that three times, put one sack of mortar cement in the box, cut open and dump,

level the sand out and then add the cement and with the hoe level the cement level over the sand,

start in one corner near you, and take the hoe and chop into the sand cement and pull towards you then take another cut and pull, keep the cuts at 1/2 to 3/4 inch and work to the other end of the box, I would work around in a circle and to the inside of the box, then do that again, I dry mixed three time, to blend the sand and cement, add the water, and do the same thing (usually pulling the sand/cement over the water, and when done three times, if the correct amount of water is used the mortar should be mixed,

it is a chop and pull not a push and pull all over the box or wheel barrow, and really it take very little effort, I like a mortar box over a wheel barrow as one has square corners and it is the same depth all across
 
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If you get ready mix and follow what Dave proposes cobble together an assortment of buckets, barrels, and boxes to pour some of the excess into for ballast, steps, blocks to stop the car against etc. then send the leftover back. And look around for a neighbor that might want to do their sidewalk or something at the same time.
 
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A couple of years ago I purchased a cheap Chinese mixer on E-Bay (essentially the same as the Harbor Freight mixer) for about $150. Looking at it, everything about it screams CHEAP. However, I've used it for a number of small jobs, a total of 5 or 6 yards of concrete and it has worked perfectly. Today it looks just like it did the day I put it together. A great value.

(For mortar, I use the big plastic tubs from the home improvement store and a hoe. No real point in a mixer if you are working by yourself.)
 
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. It is appreciated.
 

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