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Been lurking for a while now and this is a great board. I'm this close to purchasing a new CK30 FEL from my local MASS dealer. The machine will be used to landscape 3 arces which includes moving around fill & loam and moving rocks. After the yard is done, I'll get a 3pt mower and use the machine for mowing and snow plowing. My dealers price is $16,535 delivered with Turf tires. This seems about $1000 high compared to delas I've seen on this site??
 
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Make them an offer. If you compare prices on this site, you will be surprised at the different prices across the country. Do you like the dealer? Do they have a good reputation? Maybe they can split the difference and knock another 500 off. Again, my two cents.... /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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I would recommend looking into tax free New Hampshire. There are plenty of Kioti dealers such as Upper Valley Tractor and Equipment. Excersise some patients in a tractor purchase. Give Dave a call.........straight forward guy
 
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<font color="red"> tax free New Hampshire </font>


Please be careful with this, if you think you can buy out of state and bring your tractor into state and not pay taxes then you are in fact in violation of your state law, you still owe your home state's tax. Many a buyer has been surprised a year or two down the road with a tax bill that arrived in the mail from their state's department of revenue. For your own protection, factor in your home state's sales tax into your total cost of ownership regardless of what state you buy from.

DISCLAIMER :: I am not affiliated with any taxing governmental body, nor am I an accountant or a certified financial planner, however I have been called before the House of Representatives, and Senates of midwestern states, as well as county & city taxing authorities as an "expert witness" to provide testimony on excise taxes and their effects on businesses, particularly those taxes that people attempt to evade by crossing jurisdictional lines. I've also provided testimony in federal law suits on behalf of Fortune 500 companies as an expert witness.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I would recommend looking into tax free New Hampshire. )</font>


Careful on tax free, there is no such thing. Many people here have thought they got by free from buying out of state only to learn two years down the road they get a statement stating they owe the tax. Don't mess with it. If you want to buy out of state, go ahead, but report it so you don't end up with any fines. And ignorance does not get you out of any fines.

murph

disclaimer, see Bob's post
 
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..........or buy in state and pay the tax. What about private sale? Paying a sales tax there?
 
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You can do better than $1000 off that price!
 
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What about all the other stuff bought over the internet and phone orders out of state? I believe this may only aply to licensed vehicles.(?) By the way, I bought in state but could have saved 1700 by going out of state. (that was delivered) Just rather have a dealer close.

This tax free stuff goes on all the time. Wouldn't the dealers get in trouble? Carver, Corriher, Upper Valley, they make lots of deals tax free for out of state buyers.
 
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WOW. Sure didn't intend to open up this can of worms. Think I'll call the guy at Upper Valley just to compare pricing. FYI, many of the people I know here in North Central MA go to New Hampshire for major purchases. I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble for this. Unless there is a tax attorney here, I'm not sure any of us KNOW the laws.
 
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This tax free stuff goes on all the time. Wouldn't the dealers get in trouble? Carver, Corriher, Upper Valley, they make lots of deals tax free for out of state buyers. </font>

Under the tax laws, it is the BUYER who is legally RESPONSIBLE for paying the tax.

In the case of every state law I am aware of, anyone selling goods to an out of state party is specifically exempt from charging tax to the buyer UNLESS the seller also has a physical business presence in the state that the buyer is residing (even if it is a non-related subsidiary, truck terminal, office building, etc).



<font color="green"> I believe this may only aply to licensed vehicles.(?) </font>

You are clearly wrong in the eyes of the law.



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What about all the other stuff bought over the internet and phone orders out of state? </font>

There is clearly confusion over this and these are legally 2 different issues in regard to taxes. Internet falls under one law. Phone falls under another law. There are variances by state, so I don't know exactly what your state law is, HOWEVER, many states have places on your state income tax form where you are legally required to declare what you bought out of state without paying tax and failure to claim these things, and then failure to pay the tax is called tax "evasion" which is clearly illegal and can yield jail time.

NOW ON A PRACTICAL set of terms, the states RARELY go after people over these minor issues, however they do often go after big ticket items. Furniture stores often do the same thing tractor dealers do. Cigarettes are another thing that people feel they can buy tax free. To varying degrees, states are REALLY CRACKING DOWN on tax evaders because they are losing BILLION$ OF DOLLAR$ in tax revenue. Buy a pair of pants via mail order, I doubt the tax man will track you down, but big ticket sales . . . be careful. Often the nasty note from the revenue department, with an enclosed tax bill comes 2+ years after the purchase.



<font color="red"> Unless there is a tax attorney here, I'm not sure any of us KNOW the laws. </font>

I know of no tax attorney's on TBN, but I do employ one. And as I stated, I do testify as an expert witness on parallel topics numerous times. In fact I do it virtually every year.



<font color="purple"> What about private sale? Paying a sales tax there?
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Many, probably most, state's laws exempt this or have special provisions such that you don't have to pay the tax.
 

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