Baling with a compact - minimum size?

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yankee7

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I have about 5 acres in western Colorado, of which about an acre and a half is producing grass/alfalfa using open ditch irrigation. I have another 2 acres that have an open ditch but in need of major renovation (both the ditches and the ground) -- removing rocks, weeds, old buried twine and trash. I'm planning on putting in gated pipe in the next couple of years, but want to make the irrigation useful in the meantime. I want to move as much of the rocks and trash myself but will probably have to get a guy in with a dozer to move some of it. I also want to be able to harvest the hay if possible so I don't have to buy so much for my three horses. So, I'm looking for a compact tractor with a FEL and backhoe, as well as one that can run haying equipment if I decide to go in that direction. I prefer to stick with major brands (Kubota, JD, MF, NH, etc.). I want to stay under $25000 for a tractor, FEL & BH; I'll consider used with low hours, in good condition. Have any of you used these tractors for haying> Can you get the smaller equipment needed? What brand/models would you recommend?

Thanks for any advice!

Dave
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #2  
I have no first hand experience but you may want to check with carter and carter machinery (link on top of the page)
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #3  
yankee7 said:
I have about 5 acres in western Colorado, of which about an acre and a half is producing grass/alfalfa using open ditch irrigation. I have another 2 acres that have an open ditch but in need of major renovation (both the ditches and the ground) -- removing rocks, weeds, old buried twine and trash. I'm planning on putting in gated pipe in the next couple of years, but want to make the irrigation useful in the meantime. I want to move as much of the rocks and trash myself but will probably have to get a guy in with a dozer to move some of it. I also want to be able to harvest the hay if possible so I don't have to buy so much for my three horses. So, I'm looking for a compact tractor with a FEL and backhoe, as well as one that can run haying equipment if I decide to go in that direction. I prefer to stick with major brands (Kubota, JD, MF, NH, etc.). I want to stay under $25000 for a tractor, FEL & BH; I'll consider used with low hours, in good condition. Have any of you used these tractors for haying> Can you get the smaller equipment needed? What brand/models would you recommend?

Thanks for any advice!

Dave
I am not knowledgable when it comes to haying and the types of equipment needed for it. I DO however know that bailing with a compact can be done BUT you are going to have to stick to a square baler as I think a round baler would push you all over the place(unless you get a utility tractor). I can suggest some models in the brands you asked for though, you should take a look at these. It'll give you a good starting point and help you decide where to begin your research. these are all new tractors, I can offer some suggestions for used though if you'd like.

Kubota- MX5100

JD- I'd suggest a 5103 over a 4020 series model since you said you wanted to stay UNDER 25K

MF- check out the new 2600 series. that's their new utility tractor.

NH- TC or even a TT model
 
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yankee7 said:
I have about 5 acres in western Colorado, of which about an acre and a half is producing grass/alfalfa using open ditch irrigation. I have another 2 acres that have an open ditch but in need of major renovation (both the ditches and the ground) -- removing rocks, weeds, old buried twine and trash. I'm planning on putting in gated pipe in the next couple of years, but want to make the irrigation useful in the meantime. I want to move as much of the rocks and trash myself but will probably have to get a guy in with a dozer to move some of it. I also want to be able to harvest the hay if possible so I don't have to buy so much for my three horses. So, I'm looking for a compact tractor with a FEL and backhoe, as well as one that can run haying equipment if I decide to go in that direction. I prefer to stick with major brands (Kubota, JD, MF, NH, etc.). I want to stay under $25000 for a tractor, FEL & BH; I'll consider used with low hours, in good condition. Have any of you used these tractors for haying> Can you get the smaller equipment needed? What brand/models would you recommend?

Thanks for any advice!

Dave

With a $25K budget, you're looking at a new TLB in the 30-35hp (pto) range. This size tractor is probably the minimum you'd want to run haying equipment such as a small square baler. If you plan to do any heavy tillage to get your hayfield in good shape, a tractor that size could handle a 2-14 plow on the 3pt hitch. It's probably capable of handling one of those balers that produce small round bales (300 lb or so).

Unfortunately, new TLBs in that hp range are considerably out of your price range. For example, Kubota's L48 TLB at 37.5hp (pto) runs about $40K new.

Kubota's TLB offering at $25K would be a small tractor like the BX24 at 17.7 hp pto, way too small for haying.

Kubota's are very nice machines. I owned a 2005 Kubota B7510HST (21 hp engine, 17 hp pto, 4WD) with the LA302 FEL (4-ft wide bucket) and have nothing but good things to say about it.

I haven't checked prices on JD, NH, or MF TLBs, but I think you'll find the same story as with the Kubota TLBs, very pricy in the 35 hp (pto) range.

Like you, I'm going haying on my 10 acres of flat pasture land (7 acres available for hay). I traded in that 7510 last March for a new Mahindra 5525 (55 hp engine, 45 hp pto, 2WD). Paid $19.1K. My baler is an MF-124 small square baler that the 5525 will handle with ease. Mahindra's are very heavy tractors (my 5525 weighs 5370 lb without filled tires) which is a big help for plowing and for running a baler which has a heavy flywheel that will jerk the tractor around somewhat. Kubota tractors are lightweight machines.

Unfortunately, Mahindra doesn't offer a backhoe for their 5525. The Mahindra 4530 (42 hp engine, 34 hp pto, 4WD) is the smallest model that I would consider for haying and it runs about $20K with a loader (new). Adding the model 8600 backhoe ups the price to $28,600.
 
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#5  
Thanks guys!

Well if I want to consider haying, I'll probably have to consider buying used to be able to get the size/power I need. That's ok, although I'm leary of buying someone else's problem, but from what I can tell, a lot of tractors are sold so that someone can "move up" or "move out", not because there's anything wrong with the equipment, so I'm sort of comfortable in that regard (or am I just justifying what I want? been there a few times!). The only hurdle in buying used is finding financing -- if I don't buy from a dealer...it's not like you can get a car loan. I looked into (or tried to) contacting my local USDA Farm Bureau because they supposedly set up fianancing, but the person in our area is on vacation for 2 weeks. Anyone know anything about financing? I'm not a business, nor have I filed taxes as a "farmer", but am willing to do these things if that's what it takes.

Again, thanks for any assistance!

Dave
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #6  
You are looking at either a heavy small tractor (not a compact tractor) to do these things or at buying two machines. The old, square balers are getting older and less useable by the day and they need some mass tractor-wise still to use. They need 3500 lbs and 40 PTO horsepower at the bare minimum in a tractor.


A smaller tractor can plow, plant, and cut the hay........but it wont' handle the baling.
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size?
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Yeah...I'm beginning to lose my interest in baling right now. Maybe another tractor in the future if I can't get someone to cut/bale it for me. Thanks for the input!

Dave
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #8  
I would look at contract baling. We recently had someone cut, rake and bale large round bales for $15/bale.
Mike
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size? #9  
I cut, ted, rake, bale and now bale with a 180 bale wagon behind using a Kubota L5030HSTC. I am about 1000 lb light and 10 hp short for the baling with the wagon given the hills I have. On the flatter fields it is fine.

For that little amount of land, I would contract it out. There is a lot of money to be tied up into equipment to bale. Read in the ag tractor forum the "I Quit" thread.
 
   / Baling with a compact - minimum size?
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#10  
Thanks for the feedback guys. I think I've all but convinced myself (with your help!) to forget the baling idea. I may decide to cut it and then make ahystacks or something more primitive if I can't contract it out. We'll see what happens.

Dave
 

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