Backhole hydraulics - tractor or pump?

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davesisk

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Raleigh, NC USA
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Massey-Ferguson MF 1220
Hi Folks:

I've got a Massey Ferguson 1220 4WD HST w/ FEL on it's way to me shortly, and I'm already thinking about building a mini-backhoe. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif I built a front-hoe for my Power-trac and added a hydraulic selector valve to the machine to operate the hoe, so I'm pretty sure I can swing it (pun intended!)

Here's my biggest question though: the MF1220 has 5.8 gpm of hydraulic flow at 2200 PSI (I believe), but only a 2.6 gallon reservoir. What do you think about running a small hoe off the tractor hydraulics? It sure seems like that's an awefully small reservoir (the specs I read could be wrong though). My immediate concern would be this: cylinders hold less fluid when retracted than when extended because of the rod, so part of what the reservoir has to do is compensate for that difference in fluid volume. Assuming I use something like 14" or 16" cylinders (x 2" x 4 cylinders), is 2.6 gallons enough compensation?

I've heard stories of backhoe's damaging a tractor's hydraulic system. What kind of damage? Over-heat the hydraulic pump? Under what cases does this damage occur? The backhoe drains the reservoir, like mentioned above? Does the backhoe create too much heat that can't be disappated quickly enough because of the smaller reservoir? Or is the main problem something like getting dirt into the tractor's hydraulic system from the backhoe? Any insight here would be really appreciated...I'd like to keep this as small, light, and economical as possible, while still ending up with something rugged enough for residential use (no commercial use).

Any URL's or other guidance here appreciated!

Dave
 
   / Backhole hydraulics - tractor or pump? #2  
The general rule of thumb is 1.5 times the gpm of the pump for res.volume.
 
   / Backhole hydraulics - tractor or pump? #3  
There are advantages and disadvantages with using the tractors pump. Easy hook on. Wear on the tractor can be avoided by using external PTO pump. Also with a PTO pump Heat is isolated to the BH and with a 10 gal sump will stay cooler.

Here is a photo of my old modified Ford 758 being mated on my new KAMA 454. As you can see, I'm not done yet.

Patrick
 
   / Backhole hydraulics - tractor or pump?
  • Thread Starter
#4  
Just curious...is it possible to have an additional reservoir on the BH that feeds the reservoir on the tractor without a pump on the BH? Or does this present a problem of getting fluid back to the tractor's reservoir?

Thx,
Dave
 

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